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Hi everybody. Welcome back to our second
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episode of Fenceplaining. Yay.
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I mean, I don't think we properly introduced ourselves in
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Episode 1, which is on brand. Because we just assumed that we
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were already friends. So I didn't think that we needed
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to introduce ourselves, but we can.
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We're friends to everyone. Is is like or just like I, I, I
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like to think that this is just kind of like AI saw you at like
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a table and you started talking about like a nerd thing.
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And I just sat down. You don't know who I am.
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I didn't say what my name was. And I just started saying like
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really off the wall shit. That's kind of.
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And then you walk away and no one ever knows who you are.
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Literally, literally, like I do that all the time.
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Like I just hear people like saying something about Star Wars
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or Marvel and I'm just like, Oh yeah, like XYZ thing.
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And then they're just like, yeah, XYZ thing and was like,
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yeah, XYZ thing. And then I walk away.
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That's. So epic, I love it.
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It's like, did she even really exist in the race?
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Been dead for 35 years. Everything is an illusion.
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Well anyway, I guess if we should do proper introductions.
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I'm Jenna. I am obviously Co host.
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I don't know. I'm Jenna.
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I don't know what I'm just, I'm just Jenna.
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I don't know what to say about myself.
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Introducing each other like we're a fucking.
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A. A meeting?
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Yeah. I'm Jenna.
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I don't like to be called Jen. Please never call me Jen or
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Jenny though. You're not a Jenny either.
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Oh my God, that's a hate crime. I hate it.
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If some, like when I was younger, when I was in like
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elementary school or something, if somebody would call me Jen, I
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would correct them like nicely. I'd be like, no, it's Jenna.
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And then like, it became a thing where they'd be like, no, it's
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Jenna. And I'm like teenage, not teens,
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preteens. No, my name is Jenna.
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It's not Jennifer. It's not Jen.
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It's Jenna. Like on your birth certificate.
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That is Jenna. It is Jenna, yes.
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So that's me. The the the name rants.
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That's so real. I'm Ray, just just Ray just
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being in in Star wars fashion of how that how that should have
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ended. But that's a rant for another
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time. Yeah, I also have name trauma.
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So you're also just going by a nickname because this is easier
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than everything else. Will you ever get my real name?
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Probably not, right? Probably not, But.
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If you subscribe to our Patreon, we don't have a We don't have a
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Patreon. Yet, yet, yet.
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If you subscribe to the Patreon, you get Ray's real name.
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And then you just get disappointed because it
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literally is just right. It's the only the only thing we
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ever put on Patreon. That's it.
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But that that's all that it is like it, it legitimately is just
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right. I do we introduce like what we
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kind of do on the Internet, like I guess we could do that too.
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I. Yeah, this is like such a casual
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thing that I'm not used to. Like I, I talked about this,
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actually we didn't release the full, we didn't release the
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Snyder Cut of our of our of our Snyder Cut, no release the
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Snyder Cut. Of our first talk, I here's The
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thing is that like I've had someone like who I know who has
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listened to the podcast and like actually enjoyed it, which was
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really nice feedback to get to get.
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Like they were asking like, hey, are we ever gonna get like that
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episode that you guys originally recorded or just like, probably
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not. If you subscribe to our Patreon.
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Exactly, Exactly. Yeah, we recorded, we did record
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an episode. Just the purpose was originally
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just to kind of have social media clips to hype up what was
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coming up. But I realize in that in that
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recording, we introduced ourselves as if it was like our
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first episode and then. Did we introduce ourselves?
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I don't think that we introduced ourselves on that either.
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Like I don't think that we did. We again, we just assumed.
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I just assumed that you know me like I I go about the world like
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I'm already famous. Because she is because she well,
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I guess, I guess we could, we could give a little a second
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episode introduction. I amawriteriwrite@comicbook.com.
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I write about movies and TV is one of my sectors.
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Comics and anime is another one. I also do another podcast called
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Portion of a Fangirl. And the thing about that podcast
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is I'm just kind of like the interviewer, I'm the moderator.
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So this is like a total shift for me because like for 3 1/2
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years I've been the one kind of like behind the camera with like
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the paper asking questions and not being able to talk about
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like things that like I like, which is the point of an
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interview podcast, obviously. But yeah, you can, you can find
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my stuff, my writing. Just Google my name and you'll
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find, find some of my writing. I'm sure I'll bring it up
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sometime because actually an article I just wrote that's not
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out yet coincides with today's topic that we're going to get
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into. Which actually, like after you
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posed that question from your article, I got to thinking, I'm
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just like, actually, yeah, she's kind of right.
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Like, right. Like in the Grants.
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I genuinely do think that you're right, Jenna.
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Like I that's like such a good article.
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Like, this isn't even me. Just like being like, yeah, go
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read Jenna. 'S article blah blah blah.
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She's like, no, like it's actually like a very compelling
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like idea. It is.
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It is. So yeah, like Jenna is legit.
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She does all of her hot takes on all of her articles and they're
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really like well informed and interesting and you guys should
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go read them. Especially her Star Wars ones.
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We love her Star Wars ones. She's always rambling about our
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favorite rebels. So please go go read her stuff,
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guys. We love to.
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I mean, if we hold on, if we want, if we want to prove
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myself, Ezra and Kanan, dad and son anyway, dad and son, dad and
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son. For for our listener only crowd,
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which is like, I'm, I don't know why you're doing that.
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We're also on YouTube. So there also are like visual
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cues here. So Jenna also just held up
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Hurricane and Ezra legacy lightsabers.
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So that's what that like little brief pause was.
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So maybe we should go watch YouTube, just saying, but like
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like both actually. So you can like listen to it
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first and then you can get the visual references.
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Or if you'd like, although I I do agree with Ray, but Spotify
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also has video so you can wait. List us on Spotify.
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Yes you can. Wow.
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So she's fancy with it. Yes.
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So you can find us. You should listen to us on every
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single platform, everywhere, just all the time.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, just yeah. Now let's pass it over to Ray,
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who is the best person ever and I love you.
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I love you too. I don't have nearly as much
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credibility as Jenna does. Our content and presence on the
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Internet is drastically different.
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I am a fashion and cosplay content creator.
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I have kind of Ebdon flowed through the Internet in multiple
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capacities, mainly as a cosplayer.
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I am currently mainly having my focus as fashion as I get older,
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leaning into Disney, bounding costuming through television,
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film and all of the like. Kind of having that discussion
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of what is in an outfit and kind of how costuming and colour
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blocking and all of these things kind of translate and speak as a
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character. As well as talking about things
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like the importance of thrifting and the problem of
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overconsumption and all of the likes.
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So I am very much a fashion and visual content creator if you're
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interested in stuff like that. And I have a habit of hyper
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fixation. So it's a lot of nerdy related
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content of our dear boys of Star Wars, Marvel, DC, all of that
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like and kind of like leaning into those flags of nerddom.
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Yeah, and, and I, as somebody who knows nothing about fashion
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and literally I work from home and can typically be found in
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leggings and AT shirt. I look at Ray's stuff and I'm
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always so impressed because it's not just necessarily like
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cosplay, like Ray doesn't, it's not cosplay.
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It's like, like you said, the essence of a character.
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It's what pieces kind of represent this character.
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Like, you know, going back to last week when we talked about
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the metallic coat, Sue Storm's metallic coat that you're going
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to, you got to get your hands on.
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Yes, I'm going to. Yes, if you didn't listen to
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last week's episode, we did talk about Fantastic Four First Steps
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and Sue Storm's Metallic coat. That's all we talked about.
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It's not all we talked about. I wish.
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It was all we talked about, just.
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As a code for an hour? For an hour.
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Yes, yes, Like, yes, the amount of stuff that's like come out
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from like during the production and all of that of like the
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costumes and stuff that we didn't get in the film and it
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was like. I know it's it's we were
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released the Shankman cut, released the for.
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Real give it to me. But I just want to say we have
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been live for about a week and we've had an amazing response on
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the Internet with downloads and streams.
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And honestly, it is come as a very big shock to me because we
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it's a debut episode of a new podcast that doesn't have, you
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know, we're not on a network, we don't have backing, we don't
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have advertisers. And we had like a really
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smashing debut. And I just have to say thank you
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to everybody who listened and subscribed and downloaded,
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because that was the most pleasant surprise I could have
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possibly have gotten. Yes, like the reception, like
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honestly, I was not anticipating seeing the numbers that we were
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able to pull up. Like that's honestly so amazing,
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especially for what we're doing. I'm glad that you guys are
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vibing and are enjoying this enough to like kind of give it a
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shot. I know that there are a lot of
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nerdy podcasts out there, so the fact that you're taking time out
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of your day to spend a little bit of it with us is a really
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great feeling. Yeah, it is.
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And we hope you you stay along for the ride too, because we, we
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have a lot of cool things planned for the upcoming months.
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And I think I know I'm like. So excited for all of our
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Halloween stuff like. Oh my God like me too.
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I've been thinking about our Halloween stuff for like 3 days
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now and I'm like it's still August and I'm thinking about
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the Halloween stuff. Like don't get me wrong, like
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September is going to be really cool, but also like October is
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going. To be really really cool we will
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we will give you a little a little teaser to keep you you
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know intrigued. We ideally are going to have a
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special guest in September. So if you're a anything nerd,
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Star Wars comics, Marvel, everything you, you're gonna
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wanna stick around for September.
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Yes, definitely, yes. But today we are here to talk
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about our favorite friendly neighborhood Spider man.
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I mean, there's many of them, but.
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Too many friends, actually. There's actually in the in the
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words of the fake play in the Schmidt Spider Man 2 too many
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Spider Man. Yeah, actual factual.
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There's so many, too many to count, possibly more than I even
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know of, but we we're we're really getting into the hype of
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I keep wanting to call it no way home.
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Still, I don't know why I have no way home in my head, but
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because the. Drama of No Way Home.
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Yeah, and plus they just like flip the script with like the
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whole home theme and they're like brand new day.
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And I'm like, whoa, I'm not. Ready, I'm not ready.
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Has no home to go to Jetta. He has no home.
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He's homeless. Spider man colon homeless, that
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would have been. I would have kept the same
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theme. Where is he living?
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He has like an apartment and everything.
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He's got that shitty apartment. Yeah, yeah, like.
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OK. Oh, oh, for people who are
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listening, Ray is holding the finger up at me.
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Can we talk about how, like, look, I know that it's a shitty
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apartment that he's living in, guys.
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But here's the thing. He's living in a shitty
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apartment in New York. Like he should still not be able
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to afford that shitty apartment. No, like, I don't know.
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Is he, it's, I assume still Queens 'cause he's always in
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Queens, right? So, yeah.
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And I can, I'm in New York, not the city, but I'm on Long
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Island. I went to College in Queens.
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I am, you know, even having gone to College in Queens, what, 10
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years, 15 years ago, the prices are astronomical and today,
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forget it. Like it's like the jokes here
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about, about friends where it's like, how could a waitress and a
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chef afford this even rent controlled apartment in the West
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Village, They couldn't. Like I can't, I can't afford to
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eat lunch in the West Village. Like Peter Parker cannot afford,
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cannot afford any sort of apartment in Queens.
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I'm just putting that out there. Yeah, I'm just like, I don't
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think that the Daily Bugle would be like paying him like an
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obsessive like excessive like amount for fucking spider Man
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selfies. Like I don't.
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Do you think he like got inheritance from Tony Stark?
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How? Would he?
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How would he get it? No one remembers who the fuck
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Peter Parker is. That's true.
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What about Aunt May? She might have had something.
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Girl she ran a non profit like that's.
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True, that's true. Like.
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Yes, like good good person points, but she ain't making any
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money. Yeah, these parkers are how the.
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Fuck did how the fuck did aunt may afford an apartment as like
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A1 salary like household raising a kid?
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We need answers. Marvel, please.
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We need. We need.
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Or, or is it like, because like so much like happens in terms of
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like global and like alien kind of like disasters in New York
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like that? It drives the property value
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down. Wait, isn't that like, isn't,
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isn't that a plot point in Daredevil where they're like,
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oh, the property value's down ever since the incident, like in
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Netflix Daredevil, they, they say that.
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I think so, right. So they're like if, if you're
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continuing along that continuity, like, I mean,
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although in Canon it's been like 10 years since since The
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Avengers or probably more than that on more than 10 years.
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But I don't know, maybe Thanos's blip like brought down the the
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property value because less people, you know?
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The the theme of us just kind of agreeing with Marvel like
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villains. Maybe Thanos was right.
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Maybe. He was on to something.
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Maybe he's on to something like like.
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I'm just, I mean, I'm not saying that genocide is OK, but what I
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am saying is that lower property prices are OK because then
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millennials like me could afford to live in a place that's not a
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Peter Parker apartment. It's.
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That part, Oh my God. Yeah, we're not saying Thanos
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and Ultron were right, but maybe they were kind of they they were
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they were thinking they were innovators.
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That's a whole nother episode. But truly as but as we mentioned
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all of our all of these Spider Man I, we have prepared each a
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list of our five favorite Spider man correct.
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We have but like unlike you, I have not saved my like photos so
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you're gonna see me like in real time.
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Pulling them up photos, well, I had to pull the photos up
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because I feel like it's part of the experience of who I chose.
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I mean, yeah, like the like so. So we both agree that this is
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kind of a visual bit. Right, we will, we will.
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We will explain. But for the most part, for the
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full effect, you will have to tune in visually.
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And maybe, just maybe, if you guys asked nicely, Gabby will
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clip this, yes. But Gabby is our video editor.
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You have to ask her nicely, offer her.
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You have to offer up maybe some cat videos and then you're good
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to go. We we don't know who the other
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one chose for their five. So this is 'cause it's a, a
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shock for both of us. All right, So do you want to
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start with your start backwards like with not your number 5 and
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your list can't be your list cannot just be Oscar Isaac for
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the one through 5? Well, that ruined one of the
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bits. That ruined one of the potential
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bits. I'm sorry.
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I'm sorry that I'm connected to your brain so much that I knew
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that you would have Oscar Isaac as five photos.
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I don't think that anyone would complain, and if they did, I
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wasn't taking criticism anyway. I think I'm very funny.
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And also Oscar Isaac and also yeah him because like here's The
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thing is like when I was thinking about it just like Oh
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yeah lol like what if it was just all Miguelo hair and I was
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like that bitch was in fucking a Marvel property 3 * 3 times
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every. Everyone needs to get on his
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level like. Like he's like, could you?
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Imagine being. Real.
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He's like Thanos. He's collecting marble
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properties like he's got three. He's got what, two more to go?
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3 Two more to go. Love that for him we need a.
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Whole episode on him Oscar Isaac Oh yeah and his and his marvel
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pieces and. His marvel pieces that that's so
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valid, that's so real. So yes #5 is is going to be in
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fact, baby girl Miguel Ojero. He is baby girl.
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He is baby. Girl, even though he he would be
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the one to be like I will crush the spider man till I'm the
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spider man. He is.
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But also it's like Miguel, you're like probably like the
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least spider man of spider man. Like what do you mean you're a
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fucking CEO billionaire? What do you mean you're just
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Batman Spider man killing what? Did you have no light?
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Did you know that you had to be like on that like poverty line
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in order to be spider man? Yeah, no, you have to be you
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have to be well under the the poverty line to be Spider Man.
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That's just that's just how it is.
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And and and that leads into mine because my first one is Peter B
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Parker, who is not the good one. He not only is he most likely
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below the poverty line, but he has thrifted clothes.
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He I don't even know if he had an apartment.
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I feel like they foreclosed on him.
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I don't even know if he had a place to live either.
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I think that he had an apartment like it was.
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It was again a shitty apartment but but again, I'm just like,
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how did you afford that shitty apt?
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I need more world building for the spider man and their fucking
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jobs because I'm like what do you mean you can afford an
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apartment by yourself in fucking New York as a photographer for a
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news outlet? Well, at least Peter B Parker,
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he has been Spider man for a long time, so I would hope that
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like, do we? Really think that he got a real
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job. Exactly, and he's also paying
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alimony because he's divorced and child support.
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I feel I love him, but I just absolutely love Jake Johnson
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too. Like it was.
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It's just everything about that Spider Man is so great.
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No, I do love him. Like I genuinely love him so
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much. I love him.
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I love I went into into the Spider verse with no
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expectations, not not low. I just didn't know at all what
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to expect and I came out of that movie like this is one of the
00:22:14
best movies I've seen. It is.
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So good. It is so good, like the the
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spider verse like ark is like one of my favorite like comic
00:22:26
book events like ever. It's it's it's so bad that like
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most of my favorite like comic book like events are always like
00:22:33
crossovers, because those are. Always fun.
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Yes, yes, because like the Flashpoint paradox is like also
00:22:42
like my all time, like favorite, like comic book like event to
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come out of like anything, just because it's like so interesting
00:22:53
and so compelling of like how they like gone about alternate
00:22:56
realities. But we're talking about Spider
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Man, so I'm trying not to get into ADC.
00:23:01
Tangent, alright? Who's your, Who's your number?
00:23:03
Who's your #4? We're we're, we're pulling it
00:23:05
up. Hold on.
00:23:06
I have to find one that that that gets us here.
00:23:09
Hold on. I just want to like inform you
00:23:11
that mine get increasingly chaotic so.
00:23:15
Oh, yeah, same, same. Don't worry, don't, don't worry.
00:23:20
And then like when I, when I pull this up, you're going to be
00:23:22
like, Ray, Are you sure? And I was like, don't worry.
00:23:25
It's, it's, it's a part. It's part of everything.
00:23:27
Don't worry. Right, and I would like to say I
00:23:29
was going to put Spider Gwen on my list because I freaking love
00:23:33
her. She is my favorite.
00:23:34
But since we were going with the Spider man, I, I, I had to be a
00:23:39
little sexist and leave her off the list.
00:23:43
Sometimes you got to be a little sexist when it comes to a Spider
00:23:45
Man. No, that, that's that.
00:23:47
No, that's valid. That's valid.
00:23:50
Also bring Emma Stone into the MCU as Spider Gwen you cowards.
00:23:57
You brought Andrew Garfield in, now bring in bring in his
00:24:01
alternate universe dead girlfriend.
00:24:03
Speaking of Andrew Garfield, he actually is my #4 my sweet baby
00:24:08
girl. Oh my God, Andrew Garfield,
00:24:10
you're so dreaming. You're so dreaming.
00:24:15
I could. I could spend a whole hour
00:24:17
talking about Andrew Garfield I. My ultimate favorite thing ever
00:24:22
is when an actor is so genuinely excited to play a superhero.
00:24:28
Like I remember when they had that announcement where Andrew
00:24:32
like demasked himself at Comic Con when like the whole happy,
00:24:37
he was so happy and I was like, you are so cute.
00:24:41
And then like that, that clip of him, I don't even know what it
00:24:43
was from, but I've always see the the GIF of it and it's a
00:24:45
clip of him on the street, like taking a picture with a kid.
00:24:48
And then it rips up his mask and it's Andrew Garfield.
00:24:51
Like I, I adore everything about him.
00:24:55
Him getting the dollar. Yeah, he got a dollar.
00:24:58
I just he, I don't know. I'm going to go on record right
00:25:01
now and say it. He is and always will be my
00:25:04
favorite Spider Man. I don't care that I actually
00:25:07
like grew up with Toby. He was like, Toby was like that
00:25:12
came out when I was like 13. So that was like growing up with
00:25:15
Spider Man. And you're still my Andrew's my
00:25:17
favorite. No, I definitely agree.
00:25:20
Like I'm I'm the same way. Like I know that a lot of people
00:25:22
like, don't like his spider Man because like, oh, like he's too
00:25:26
cool to be Peter Parker blow. And I'm just like, shut up.
00:25:33
Let Spider Man be hot. Like let Peter Parker be that
00:25:36
hot fucking nerd. Like fuck off.
00:25:39
And also like that was the same criticism that people got when
00:25:42
they cast Marissa Tomei as Aunt May.
00:25:43
And it's like, why can't Aunt May be hot?
00:25:45
Why do you have to be an old Crone?
00:25:47
Like spider man is only supposed to be like 16.
00:25:51
Yeah his aunt would probably be in her 40s or 50s.
00:25:54
And why can't cheat? Morissa Tomei is hot like.
00:25:58
Yeah, like, let let people be hot.
00:26:00
Like let nerd ship get yosified, like, it's fine, shut up.
00:26:07
But wait, can I show you my number four?
00:26:09
Yeah. Andrew Garvey.
00:26:16
Oh my God, He's just, oh, he's just precious baby boy.
00:26:21
Like, I wanted to make you my number one, but for the sake of
00:26:23
comedy, I didn't. Yeah, I just, I just, I can't
00:26:28
say enough about him. I I'm like, I, you know how
00:26:33
everybody got back on like the hating Christensen train when
00:26:35
Obi Wan was coming out and he was coming back and then acted
00:26:39
like they didn't completely, like trash him for over a
00:26:43
decade? I was like, I have been a hating
00:26:47
Christian since Dan since since episode 2.
00:26:49
And it's the same with Andrew Garfield.
00:26:51
I stood by his spider man from day one and I never wavered.
00:26:54
And then everybody tried to get back on the train when the news
00:26:58
when No Way Home came back. Right.
00:27:02
Fake fans. Sorry, sorry, I don't mean to
00:27:04
offend anybody, but if you haven't loved Andrew Garfield
00:27:07
for decades then I don't know if we could be friends.
00:27:11
Again, like, even if you don't like him as Spider Man, can you
00:27:14
just like say that he's objectively hot?
00:27:17
Like, yes, that's all that I'm asking for.
00:27:19
Like, I don't like you can, you can have your qualms about his
00:27:22
Spider Man and all of that stuff, but the man's is hot.
00:27:28
And a great actor. Yeah, like one of the best
00:27:31
scenes of of cinema, in my personal opinion, is the social
00:27:35
Network when he comes in and and smashes the computer love.
00:27:40
Yeah, that's iconic. He's amazing.
00:27:43
Andrew Garfield, will you please come on our show, our little
00:27:47
please. Please, it's like a little
00:27:49
treat. Please, please, a little treat.
00:27:54
Truly, truly. Do it for the girls.
00:27:57
Do it for the girls. Thanks.
00:28:01
Do you wanna know my #3? I do wanna know you're #3.
00:28:04
OK my number 3, is that like brief scene in what was it like
00:28:10
season 2 episode 1 of community where Donald?
00:28:14
Glover is stressed. In Spider Man PJS.
00:28:21
I forgot about that. I completely forgot.
00:28:27
That is so freaking valid. Yes, and even Spider Man, it's
00:28:34
even better because everybody want wanted him to be Miles
00:28:37
Morales. I mean, I know.
00:28:39
Oh my God, I forgot that that is the thing that happened.
00:28:44
Coming in with the. Deep cuts.
00:28:46
Well, well, if you want to go deep cut.
00:28:48
Oh God. If you want to go deep cut,
00:28:51
continue on that line. Are you ready?
00:28:53
I see you're Donald Glover in one episode of Community.
00:28:57
And I raise you kidding, I can't get through the time.
00:29:04
I raise you Danny DeVito and it's always sunny Halloween
00:29:11
episode I believe. I don't even know if it was the
00:29:18
full scene. I think it just this is the
00:29:25
spider man I want in my spider verse.
00:29:36
That we have the. Same wavelength of picking just
00:29:41
actors dressed as spider. Not even actors who have played
00:29:48
spider man except for like 1. Oh my God that was good.
00:29:54
That was. Those were two real good ones
00:29:56
for #3 also, I do I. I do appreciate Danny DeVito as
00:30:05
the trash man as well. Oh.
00:30:08
My God, it's. Always Sunny is a gem and I love
00:30:11
it. And Danny DeVito for Spider man
00:30:14
just, I'm sorry, Spider versus out there.
00:30:18
Throw him in. Oh my God, who?
00:30:23
Now now, who's your number 2 though?
00:30:29
I'm scared. I don't think that you should be
00:30:31
scared like I think that even though like my my like list is
00:30:39
is chaotic in format and not like how it should be, but it it
00:30:46
it it it's, it probably like could be more chaotic and it
00:30:52
could be, it could be, it could be my #2 again, it it's not
00:30:58
nearly as chaotic as it could be, but it's definitely like
00:31:01
we're we're we're getting past like the sun of everything.
00:31:09
But my my second favorite is actually the the Spider Man
00:31:23
popsicle. Oh my God.
00:31:27
Just. Because does that bitch like
00:31:28
saved my life during San Diego Comic Con?
00:31:32
It's. Not it's an inanimate object.
00:31:34
I love that. That was real good that I I did
00:31:41
not see, did not see the Spider Man popsicle coming.
00:31:47
That man saved my life like that.
00:31:48
That that's what real heroes are about.
00:31:51
Right the the biggest, the best spider Man hero is the popsicle.
00:31:56
Actually, this is true. This is true.
00:32:01
My number 2 is so unfortunately I'm breaking the mold and going
00:32:06
back to actual people who are spider man, but it's Toby as the
00:32:10
man spider or whatever he the human spider or whatever the
00:32:13
hell he was when he did. And he's a wrestling outfit that
00:32:18
really terrible spray painted like he's gonna mug a bank
00:32:21
wrestling outfit that was So he's gonna mug a bank, rob a
00:32:28
bank, mug a guy and rob a bank. He also like I'm looking at this
00:32:33
picture closer and he has on like a motorcycle gloves like I
00:32:36
don't know what was Sam Raimi was just wild.
00:32:41
He was just. There were no standards for
00:32:45
superhero movies back then. There were no standards.
00:32:48
But listen, Sam Raimi, Sam Raimi set, set the stage and then came
00:32:52
back and did Multiverse of Madness and then all like, you
00:32:56
can't beat it, can't beat him. He he did Multiverse of Madness,
00:33:00
but he didn't watch one division.
00:33:01
That's another thing that we were talking about.
00:33:05
Sam Raimi slander. I don't want to do that.
00:33:07
But like, but also I, I don't think that it's slander, I think
00:33:11
it's holding him accountable. Right.
00:33:13
Like if you're gonna do Multiverse of Madness, you have
00:33:16
to know why Wanda does what she does.
00:33:20
And it's not for bad reasons. It's actually like I would have
00:33:26
done the same if I were Wanda. Yeah.
00:33:31
Like if I had if I had kids and my kids disappeared because of
00:33:34
my magic, I'm also going to tear apart the multiverse and find
00:33:37
them. Like I'm going to do it and not
00:33:39
be a villain, but good for her for being a villain too.
00:33:44
My number 2 is the cowboy spider man with his spider man horse
00:33:50
because everyone wants Pedro Pascal to voice him and I think
00:33:55
that he should so that he and Miguel can kiss.
00:33:59
We here on STEM Splaining are gonna keep talking about ways in
00:34:04
which Oscar Isaac and Pedro Pascal could possibly kiss, and
00:34:07
there are so many easy ways for it to be done.
00:34:10
If people weren't cowards. Yeah, yeah, I, we're, we're
00:34:15
giving you the road map to make that happen, right.
00:34:18
And all of them I think would be in character for either of them.
00:34:23
And and that would even be in animated form.
00:34:25
So if you don't wanna like, actually like, make the actress
00:34:28
kiss. Make the spider man kiss, make
00:34:34
the spider man kiss, make the spider man kiss.
00:34:36
Just saying would would they both be like upside down and
00:34:39
doing the spider man kiss upside down?
00:34:41
They're both upside down though. Like not just one, like both of
00:34:44
them are upside down. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:34:50
How that works I don't know, but I would love to see it.
00:34:53
Yes. So was this my number one right?
00:34:57
I did everybody else, yes, My number one, if I can click it is
00:35:05
this is your Japanese spider man.
00:35:08
Japanese spider man is wild. Look at him.
00:35:11
He's got a gun. He has a gun and he's not afraid
00:35:14
to use it. And he and every clip you see is
00:35:18
just increasingly chaotic, like it's just just Japanese Spider
00:35:23
Man hits differently. Give Spider Man a gun.
00:35:27
Give Marvel, you cowards, give Spider Man a gun.
00:35:33
Wait, that was my number one. That was my #1.
00:35:38
Did you already do 5? I feel like we didn't do do 5
00:35:40
already. Yeah.
00:35:41
My number my my number 5 was Peter B Parker.
00:35:44
That was Peter B Parker, Andrew Garfield, Danny DeVito, Human
00:35:49
Spider, and then it's Japanese Spider Man.
00:35:53
So now you have to do your number one.
00:35:55
Oh, I have to do my #1. Yeah.
00:35:58
Well, my number one is Lego Spider Man and Across the Spider
00:36:03
verse because I think that it's really cool, like cool that they
00:36:07
brought in the young, like 14 year old at the time animator to
00:36:11
do those scenes. Oh, I agree with that.
00:36:14
Yes, like, yeah. So it's like, I think that it's
00:36:17
really great. And kind of like what he
00:36:19
represents, like, overall as the idea of, like, encouraging young
00:36:23
creators to keep creating and showing them like, hey, yeah,
00:36:27
like keep doing this and it will open the doors that it needs to.
00:36:31
And people are seeing what they need to.
00:36:33
So that is why he's my #1. I like that.
00:36:36
That was a a very heartwarming #1 And I'd also point, I also
00:36:41
think it's really, really funny that Tom Holland didn't make
00:36:44
either of our lives. Here's the thing.
00:36:47
I love Tom Holland. I really do.
00:36:52
And, and like, I like overall, like I thoroughly love his
00:36:56
Spider Man and I love his Peter Parker, but that's an Eppo baby.
00:36:59
Yeah. That that's a Nepho.
00:37:01
Baby, yeah, he he didn't have, you know, I mean, it's the
00:37:05
implied origin Uncle Ben story. But like he was already over
00:37:10
that. Like he already had grieved and
00:37:12
moved on when when Tony Stark swept in and was just like, hey,
00:37:17
here's some money. Also wanna fight Captain America
00:37:19
with me like. Yeah.
00:37:23
Also that didn't let me tell you something about Let me.
00:37:26
Here I go. Oh God.
00:37:28
That annoys me because Peter Parker would never fight Steve
00:37:33
Rogers. Like it.
00:37:34
It was only because Tony Stark was like, I have a lot of money
00:37:38
and I want to upgrade you and take you to Germany to meet The
00:37:40
Avengers. And he was like, Peter was like
00:37:42
a fangirl, right. But in reality, which, valid.
00:37:46
Yeah. I mean, same.
00:37:47
I would do the same thing, but. But then I'd switch sides.
00:37:50
I'd be like, there's Captain Bucky and I'd like go, like,
00:37:53
done. But in reality, Peter never
00:37:56
would. He would be like, we're two
00:37:58
homies from New York and you're Captain America, let's hang out
00:38:03
in Coney Island. That's what would.
00:38:08
Happen. No, I totally agree.
00:38:09
I I I think that like if he was given the context of like, oh,
00:38:15
why are you guys fighting this, this COVID accords?
00:38:18
What are those? Oh, they don't want vigilantes.
00:38:26
I don't kind of like. My whole thing.
00:38:27
No, I don't. I, I think that like, we're,
00:38:32
we're kind of like on opposing sides here, Mr. Stark.
00:38:36
Yeah, they didn't even give him any context, now that I got it.
00:38:40
Like, Tony Stark for real just kidnapped a teen who had
00:38:43
superpowers that he saw on the Internet and was like, go beat
00:38:46
the shit out of Captain America for me.
00:38:49
Like, literally. And Peter was like, OK.
00:38:59
Oh my God, like you should automatically know that Captain
00:39:02
America is probably on the right side.
00:39:04
Like, like he's most likely on the the correct side, right?
00:39:11
Oh, that was Tony Stark. You messed up bro.
00:39:18
But you know what? I too might, might just just
00:39:23
kind of change my whole, like, way of thinking if like Tony
00:39:26
Stark was like, hey, yeah, do do you wanna come do this thing
00:39:30
with me? I'm just saying, yeah, I do.
00:39:31
Yeah, I would also go, but I would use him and his and his
00:39:37
dirty money to go and escape with with Captain America and
00:39:42
Bucky. But then like the but then like
00:39:44
the flip side of that is you have to go to Siberia with them
00:39:47
and face off against Zemo. But Daniel Bruhl is so cute.
00:39:52
Oh, like, he's so cute. Yeah, he did.
00:39:54
He was doing a lot of murder. And like he's.
00:39:56
Just he's just a, he's just a silly little guy.
00:39:59
He's just a guy doing his thing. Like like I, I have a whole, I
00:40:04
think Zemo himself. It could be a whole can of worms
00:40:08
because in my personal opinion he was the most effective
00:40:12
villain in all of Marvel and he's just a dude.
00:40:17
I know he's. Just a dude.
00:40:20
He's just a dude who's pissed off and mourning, and he's the
00:40:25
best villain that they've. Had and I think like that's kind
00:40:30
of what's exciting about brand new Day being St. level yeah,
00:40:37
like it's no longer like these global like events or anything
00:40:41
like this. Like it's for the most part,
00:40:43
like they're kind of just dudes who got fucked by science.
00:40:47
Right. And even even like homecoming,
00:40:49
it's still even though it was like, I guess you could say
00:40:53
ground level, it still had a like heavy-handed Tony Stark
00:40:56
involved. And even even the Vulture was
00:40:59
like still part of like the event connected to The Avengers
00:41:03
and the aliens, But but it was Michael Keaton.
00:41:07
So that was pretty, pretty damn cool.
00:41:08
Like that was really cool, like. I'm just like, I kind of really
00:41:15
hate that we got teased for like the Sinister 6, but we've yet to
00:41:22
get the Sinister 6 and I'm worried that we're going to
00:41:24
close out the MCU without ever getting them for Tom's run.
00:41:30
And I'm just like, fuck. See.
00:41:33
But it wasn't. Isn't there a rumor going around
00:41:35
that this is a scorpion? Right?
00:41:38
He's one of them. Yeah.
00:41:40
Isn't there a rumor going around that he was seen on set for
00:41:43
Brand New Day? I think I've seen that.
00:41:46
Yeah, I think I saw that. So like I, I'm trying to be a
00:41:51
good little moviegoer and kind of like avoid spoilers because
00:41:54
like that's kind of like one of the things like I'm kind of
00:41:56
getting like fatigued with like set photos and like leaks and
00:42:02
stuff like that. Like even with all of the stuff
00:42:05
that we're seeing coming out of Glasgow, like it's really cool
00:42:08
and I love that we're getting like practical swinging for
00:42:11
Spider Man and it looks really awesome, but I don't wanna see
00:42:16
like the whole movie before I even see the fucking movie.
00:42:19
Right, I think that's, I think the set photos is what I'm
00:42:23
thinking of 'cause I, I could be mistaken and like, please
00:42:26
correct me in the comments if I'm wrong.
00:42:28
But I think one of the set photos cause like he's on, they
00:42:31
keep showing him Peter on a tank and I think there's the symbol
00:42:36
on it is a scorpion. I, I, I, I'm not sure I could be
00:42:40
making this up, but I'm almost positive because it, it struck
00:42:44
me thinking, oh, Senator 6, but I wouldn't put it past them to
00:42:49
just like make the scorpion the villain and not include the
00:42:52
Senator 6. Like just how Vulture was the
00:42:55
villain right now, I don't know. But isn't there also rumors that
00:43:01
like Mr. Negative is going to, like, be in there?
00:43:03
Yeah. And who was it that they said
00:43:07
might be it was somebody really good that might be you have you
00:43:10
have to check my check to me. Let's check our sources who Mr.
00:43:14
Negatives rumor was because I was really excited about that I
00:43:16
not trust. Yeah, like, OK, so like here's
00:43:19
my thing is that like I think like it's really fun to like
00:43:21
talk about like theories and like that's kind of like why we
00:43:24
talk about what we what we talk about and what we're going to
00:43:27
talk about on this podcast. I don't think that they that
00:43:30
news outlets have any like business covering like fan
00:43:35
theories, fan casting. Like he just kind of feels like
00:43:36
we're scraping like the jar like for content.
00:43:43
And it's like, if you don't have anything interesting to say
00:43:45
about the endless amounts of like source material, then maybe
00:43:49
we shouldn't be doing what we should like what we're doing.
00:43:52
Like it because it just at that point it just feels like click
00:43:54
bait. Like you can say like, like put
00:43:56
it in title of like fan casting and stuff like that, but it's
00:43:59
like, is it really news? Right, It's it's honestly like
00:44:04
as somebody who you know, works in in that field, it's a lot of
00:44:09
it is also algorithm. You know, it's same thing with
00:44:12
like podcasting, like what is going to kind of take off.
00:44:15
And I think Daniel Dakim, the reason I just actually looked it
00:44:20
up to and it was on comicbook.com.
00:44:22
You can follow me there for my writings.
00:44:26
Comicbook.com had a quote from him.
00:44:28
Like addressing addressing. Rumors.
00:44:30
Yeah, so it's just a rumor, but I would love to see Daniel Dakim
00:44:37
in the MCUI. Love him so much.
00:44:40
Like, like when they cast him as the Fire Lord, I was like,
00:44:44
excuse me? I was like.
00:44:46
Excuse me? They're not supposed to make me
00:44:48
thirsty over the fire Lord like. I mean, I mean.
00:44:55
Like he was that that was not not fair.
00:44:58
That was that was thirsty. But I do like going back to the
00:45:05
street level stuff. I do like that.
00:45:07
I'm a little upset that they're pretending that Scotland is New
00:45:12
York, like film in New York, film in New York, You, you
00:45:16
cowards. But anyway, right.
00:45:19
I like the the fact that it's St. level and I like that his
00:45:22
suit is not a techie suit. They're they're it's just like a
00:45:26
it's kind of very reminiscent of Andrew Garfield's.
00:45:30
Like it's that. Yeah, regular spider man suit.
00:45:34
Yeah, so that's nice to see. And there was something else
00:45:39
that I wanted to say. Oh, the street level thing also
00:45:42
makes sense with the fact that they're bringing in the
00:45:43
Punisher. So.
00:45:45
Right. Like if it's also just like,
00:45:47
hey, so if we're going to get Punisher, does that mean we're
00:45:49
going to get red 100%? They go together.
00:45:53
They go together, Yeah, like. You're going to tell me that the
00:45:56
Punisher is going to be around and Matt Murdock isn't going to
00:45:59
have anything to say about it. Yeah, you're telling me the
00:46:02
Punisher is going to be trying to get a teen vigilante to
00:46:05
probably kill people and that Matt isn't going to swoop in and
00:46:09
be like, whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold on a second here, Frank.
00:46:13
We got to kill this guy, Peter. OK, Mr. Castle, I just need that
00:46:21
to be the whole plot of the movie.
00:46:22
It's actually not even about Spider Man.
00:46:24
It's about the fact that the Punisher like that like Frank
00:46:26
finds Spider Man and then like it's Frank and Matt fighting
00:46:31
over his like his whole. Battle of fucking Spider Man.
00:46:38
No, you can't. You can't have, especially with
00:46:41
because when does Brand New Day come out?
00:46:42
Next July. Yes.
00:46:48
I think it's next. It's definitely next summer.
00:46:50
So I think it, I think it's coming out like, is it, do I
00:46:55
have to pull up the map again? I I'm almost positive it's July
00:46:59
of next year, I think so I'm. Pretty sure it's July next year.
00:47:01
And then I think, yeah, so we would.
00:47:04
And then doomsday. And then doomsday, yeah.
00:47:06
Yeah, because, well, usually they will also will release
00:47:09
something big in July around San Diego Comic Con, and it makes
00:47:11
sense that it would be Spider Man next year.
00:47:14
But like we were saying earlier, Season 2, a Daredevil comes out
00:47:19
in March. Right.
00:47:20
So whatever events you know happen there are gonna have to
00:47:25
tie into Spider Man because Frank is a big part of season 2.
00:47:29
A daredevil considering Frank. Because then we're also good.
00:47:37
Because. They jumped out of the out of
00:47:39
the building together, yes. And then they went with Karen.
00:47:44
I don't know what. They're sorry, I was just too
00:47:46
distracted about the idea of Karen Page getting 2 boyfriends,
00:47:50
which I think that she should be allowed to have.
00:47:52
But I just think it's also not fair.
00:47:55
Yeah, but like, if it's going to be anybody, I think that I'd
00:47:58
want it to be Karen. I know that you don't like
00:48:01
Karen, but like, I like Karen more than I like Electra.
00:48:04
I'm sorry. I know, I know, I'm sorry.
00:48:08
I there's a lot of hot takes for Electra in this house.
00:48:13
I'm OK with Karen and Frank. I think it's better because she
00:48:15
she like, he like challenges her more.
00:48:17
And I think that Matt is kind of like a pussy when it comes to
00:48:21
when it comes to Karen. And I am a Matt Murdock stand.
00:48:26
I will, I will stand on business when it comes to Matt Murdock.
00:48:30
But I think he's like, he's all like, oh, like Karen.
00:48:35
And then electric comes and he's like, yeah, let's go do crime.
00:48:37
And I'm like, yes, that's my Daredevil.
00:48:39
That's my that's the Daredevil I signed up for.
00:48:42
I think like my thing is that like I, I, I get that I do and
00:48:46
like I, I love when a woman can just make a man his absolute
00:48:52
worst. I do, but I also, but I also
00:49:00
like how Karen kind of like brings Matt back to Matt instead
00:49:06
of Matt feeling like a costume for like the Daredevil persona.
00:49:11
Like so it's like kind of letting him stay true to like
00:49:18
the life that he's built and continues to build and covets
00:49:22
and really takes a lot of pride in.
00:49:25
Whereas like Electra doesn't respect that aspect of Matt
00:49:29
whatsoever. And she like basically says that
00:49:33
she doesn't respect it. And it's like, but this is like
00:49:37
she wants exactly. And like, that's fine, but it's
00:49:40
also like Matt has a whole life that he's built without her and
00:49:44
she's just not in the space to respect that and adapt to that.
00:49:51
But I, I also like the Matt and Karen dynamic because I think
00:49:55
that it like it challenges both of them in ways that they need
00:49:59
to be challenged where it's like Matt needs to kind of get out of
00:50:02
his own like self righteousness and like see that Karen, who he
00:50:06
perceives as this very pure, like being is capable of dark
00:50:11
things. And Karen herself kind of like
00:50:14
needs to be able to forgive herself for the things that she
00:50:17
has done for the sake of survival and like who has, who
00:50:20
she's been and like who she's trying to be.
00:50:22
And I think like, that's where I like their dynamic more than I
00:50:26
like Matt and Electra is where it's just like, I feel like Matt
00:50:29
is just always in a state of trying to fix Elektra and make
00:50:33
her a better person instead of it like kind of playing off of
00:50:37
each other. But I also haven't read a lot
00:50:39
into Electra because. I just don't like Electra.
00:50:43
Well, old Matt and his, you know, Catholic guilt.
00:50:46
Trying to fix people makes sense.
00:50:48
But I did just write down in my notes for an episode the many
00:50:52
girlfriends of Matt Murdock, because I think that in and of
00:50:55
itself, he is the bloodiest he is.
00:50:58
Of the MCU, he. He is the biggest slot in the
00:51:02
MCU and I will stand by that. I think I did.
00:51:06
And I think I actually wrote an article about like 5-5
00:51:10
girlfriends who lived in five who died.
00:51:12
So that's like 10 right there, like.
00:51:18
So yes, like he's a slut, but also it's like if if man was out
00:51:24
here rising me while like being able to monitor my heartbeat in
00:51:27
order to like gauge my reaction to like the things that he's
00:51:31
saying, like I'm sorry, but that would work on.
00:51:34
Me and he's so cute. He's just so handsome.
00:51:39
Charlie Cox, we love you. Oh, Oh my gosh.
00:51:41
So my favorite story. I think I probably have told you
00:51:43
this before, but this is my, again, my play.
00:51:46
Charlie Cox, please come on and talk to us, even though you're
00:51:49
notoriously adverse to, I think, these kind of public
00:51:53
appearances. That's so valid though, we love
00:51:55
that. I do love that, but I also
00:51:58
really think that if he's gonna do public appearance, this is
00:52:01
where to do it, where it's just unhinged and not a huge, not a
00:52:06
huge. Following So I we won't even
00:52:09
talk about Daredevil, we'll just talk about Stardust.
00:52:12
How about that? Yeah, we could do that.
00:52:14
That's fine. We can talk about literally
00:52:15
everything else but this. We don't have to talk about
00:52:18
anything that you've even been in.
00:52:19
We can talk about like you love Andrew Garfield.
00:52:21
Why don't we have an episode about Andrew Garfield, but we
00:52:23
have Charlie Cox on? Yeah.
00:52:26
Yeah, like that. Would be amazing.
00:52:29
And if someone else there is listening, if someone in
00:52:32
production or casting is out there listening and if you can
00:52:34
like somehow make this happen, please, please, just for the
00:52:39
bit, Just for the bit. But my, my, my Charlie Cox story
00:52:43
is I actually it was like 2. It was two years ago.
00:52:47
What are we in 2025 S forth? So 2023 it was New York Comic
00:52:51
Con 2023 and I was walking from Penn Station to the Javid Center
00:52:55
and it's about like 10-11 blocks St. shot.
00:52:59
And my my best friend was with me and we were walking and I see
00:53:03
a guy on the same sidewalk as me coming close to me.
00:53:05
And I'm like, that's Charlie Cox.
00:53:07
Like he's just in like plain clothes.
00:53:09
And I'm like, and I like, did a double take.
00:53:11
And I kind of looked, I like, looked at him.
00:53:13
He looked at me and he was like, please don't say it.
00:53:15
Like it was like, it was, I could like read him.
00:53:17
I could read him where he's like, yeah, it's, it's me.
00:53:19
But just. And I was like, don't.
00:53:22
I was like, OK. And like the fact that he passed
00:53:26
and I waited a beat and my friend was talking and I was
00:53:28
ignoring her 'cause I was like, that's just Charlotte Cox.
00:53:31
And then I turned to her. I'm like, I think that we just
00:53:35
passed Charlie Cox. And then like later that that
00:53:37
night she texted me and she texted me a picture of him
00:53:39
'cause he had actually been at the con.
00:53:40
And she's like, yeah, that was him.
00:53:41
This is his outfit. And it makes it even better that
00:53:45
it was in Hell's Kitchen that like, I ran into him in Hell's
00:53:48
Kitchen, like. Of all places to be, bro.
00:53:52
Like what are you like? What are you doing?
00:53:54
You didn't want to get noticed and yet you're in, you're,
00:53:57
you're in your house. Like what are you what?
00:54:00
That's a Matt Murdock move for sure for.
00:54:03
Real. It's just like what?
00:54:05
But like, I really, really, really love, I think it's I
00:54:11
think it's Mark Wade's Daredevil, where he has, I
00:54:15
don't, I could be wrong, but where he crosses over and has
00:54:17
spider man in it. I love when spider man and
00:54:20
Daredevil team up. So I really hope brand new day
00:54:22
does that because like the dynamic is so funny.
00:54:25
The dynamic is so good. It's like tired uncle and like
00:54:30
ADHD nephew. It's so funny.
00:54:34
It's so good. Yeah, I just remembered the one
00:54:39
panel and and this one panel and Matt is like I think he's on a
00:54:42
date or something. And spider man just swoops down.
00:54:45
He's like I need some dare help. And Matt's not even in in his
00:54:48
costume like I need. So I need the street level
00:54:55
spider man to basically be like like the defenders plus spider
00:55:00
man. I would love that.
00:55:04
I, I, I just want Jessica Jones to like, fucking be so annoyed
00:55:09
with Peter Parker. She's going to like institute
00:55:13
time out for him like she would be like, or she would love him.
00:55:19
It would go one way or the other.
00:55:20
She'd either be like I can't stand this stupid kid or he
00:55:23
needs to be protected at all costs.
00:55:27
I think it's more likely to like be the former, probably.
00:55:32
Plus the dynamic between Jessica Jones and Matt Murdoch was that
00:55:37
was a chef kiss in The Defenders.
00:55:39
So glad. To have her back so bad.
00:55:42
We need her back. She returns to save the day.
00:55:46
Nice ears. They're horns.
00:55:50
With his stupid this her scarf around his face.
00:55:53
Matthew. You look like an idiot.
00:55:57
It's your scarf. They had the best dynamic.
00:56:00
I wonder how much of that was scripted and how much was just
00:56:03
them like just go just going off each other.
00:56:07
But I really hope that, like I said this on on the last on the
00:56:13
last episode, that I feel like brand new day is kind of like
00:56:16
the springboard for Doomsday. And if they are going to finally
00:56:20
bring in the street level heroes like Daredevil and Jessica Jones
00:56:25
and Frank, since they haven't, you know, they haven't confirmed
00:56:29
if Luke Cage or Iron Fist were coming back, at least those
00:56:32
three. If they're going to bring them
00:56:34
into the movies, that's the springboard to do it.
00:56:37
Is is spider man? Defenders plus Spider Man.
00:56:42
Defenders plus Spider man, Yeah. Honestly, the more that you say
00:56:45
it, the more like more that it would make sense to actually do
00:56:49
it that way. But then again, it's the MCU.
00:56:52
When has it ever been like? I mean, it is, it is, it is like
00:56:56
Spider Man's movie. But the whole thing with
00:57:00
Daredevil at least, like obviously it's going to depend
00:57:03
on what happens in Season 2 of Daredevil.
00:57:04
But like, Fisk has outlawed the vigilantes.
00:57:08
So like, what does this mean for Spider Man operating in New
00:57:10
York? Like this is a big question
00:57:12
mark. Right.
00:57:16
Although I don't think anyone seemed to really give a crap
00:57:18
when the Thunderbolts just rolled up and did their thing.
00:57:26
Fisk was on vacation that day. Is Valentina a billionaire?
00:57:30
Yeah, she could do what she wants also.
00:57:32
Yeah. So.
00:57:33
So she's Julia Louie Dreyfus. She's Julia Louie Dreyfus.
00:57:36
She could do like, whatever. She could tell anyone what to
00:57:38
do. Yeah, she can just do whatever
00:57:40
she wants. I think Fisk would listen to
00:57:41
her. I think he'd be like, all right,
00:57:42
fair. You know what?
00:57:46
OK, just this one time, I'll let you let Bob in.
00:57:52
We'll finally be able to watch Thunderbolts like towards the
00:57:55
end of the month here. Oh, is that when it's coming
00:57:58
out? Yeah, I think so.
00:58:00
I think that it's going to be on Disney Plus like on the 27th.
00:58:04
Oh my God. OK, I haven't seen it, but I
00:58:07
know what happens. So that's how I know I.
00:58:09
Also know what happens like the Internet doesn't know how to
00:58:13
shut up but. We should watch it together.
00:58:16
I think so too. I think that that would be good.
00:58:18
And then we could do a Thunderbolts episode.
00:58:20
And I just will warn you right now that that's gonna get into a
00:58:23
Bucky Barnes episode. And then we're just gonna be
00:58:27
like, where's Alpine? Like where?
00:58:29
Where is she? Yeah.
00:58:30
We can the pets of the MCU is also something that I did the
00:58:36
list on and I really, really wanted to make Alpine number
00:58:39
one. But lucky, such a dog.
00:58:42
Lucky the Pizza Dog exists, and Lucky is just the bestest,
00:58:45
bestest boy. And I'm I'm unfortunately a
00:58:50
cosmos like Stan so. Cosmo is good too, yeah.
00:58:54
It's a heck and a good dog. Oh, Speaking of, I mentioned
00:58:57
this earlier. I teach this earlier.
00:58:58
Speaking of articles I've written and Spider Man, I have
00:59:02
one that is in the works. It's it's just waiting to be
00:59:05
published. And the title or the theme is
00:59:11
basically is Uncle was Uncle Ben's death really a wait on
00:59:18
Spider Man? Like, did it make him less of a
00:59:21
hero than it could have been? It should have.
00:59:23
And my argument was, yeah, like Uncle Ben saddling Peter with
00:59:29
the whole with great power comes great responsibility.
00:59:33
And the guilt of inaction leading to Uncle Ben's death
00:59:38
completely makes Spider Man pull punches and hold back.
00:59:43
And and like, you know, he, he couldn't be like Daredevil, like
00:59:46
he couldn't be like, he can't do that.
00:59:49
He's always limited because of that guilt.
00:59:53
I think it also like poses the question of like how how heroic
00:59:59
and altruistic is like this, like former self sacrifice that
01:00:02
Peter imposes on himself, Like how how heroic is that actually?
01:00:08
Like, because yes, it's like coming from like this place of
01:00:11
like, yeah, I want to like be like a good person, everything,
01:00:13
but it's like. When does it just become
01:00:15
self-destructive? When, when, when does it stop
01:00:18
being heroic? And when does it just become
01:00:20
self-destructive? Because so often in like runs,
01:00:22
you see Peter doing like all these really heroic things.
01:00:26
And you see him put everything else like above the things that
01:00:32
like he needs in his life and like the things that are
01:00:35
important to him personally. And it's just like, I think that
01:00:39
in a way it kind of makes him like put himself in his own like
01:00:45
way of, no, I don't want to say that like being like above
01:00:52
people, but it's like isolated. Yeah.
01:00:55
Like it's just like you're imposing self isolation onto
01:00:58
yourself by denying these like, kind of like selfish, like
01:01:03
things that you want and that you should be prioritizing for
01:01:06
your own, like individual happiness.
01:01:08
And it's like, is that actually a good thing in like, a heroic
01:01:13
trait that you should strive for?
01:01:15
And like, I don't think so. Like, I don't think that that
01:01:18
makes him a better or worse hero, but it's like, how
01:01:22
damaging is that for Peter Parker as an individual human
01:01:25
being And like. He basically sacrifices
01:01:30
sacrifices his everything personal for the superhero life
01:01:35
and that's all stems back to Uncle Ben.
01:01:39
Right. So it's like, I wonder if like
01:01:43
if Uncle Ben had still been around, if he would be able to
01:01:49
teach Peter more of a balance instead of being like with great
01:01:54
response, with with great power comes great responsibility.
01:01:57
Like, yes, that's a great line, but it's like when you're
01:02:00
telling that to a teenager who is going to take that as an
01:02:04
absolute, that is so damaging. It is so damaging and then in a
01:02:10
way, like, I mean, this might sound bad, but then it limits
01:02:13
him as a hero as well because sometimes heroes have to get
01:02:16
their hands dirty and it's for the greater good.
01:02:20
Like, and that's something I know I keep going back to
01:02:22
Daredevil, but that's something that he, he does, you know, he
01:02:27
even has his own, you know, code of ethics cause with his
01:02:30
Catholicism. But even with that, he still
01:02:33
knows that, you know what, to save this group of people, I
01:02:37
have to cross this line. And that's unfortunately the
01:02:43
superhero life. Like a lot of them, you know,
01:02:45
they have their code of conduct. They have their moral compass,
01:02:49
but there are times when it has to be crossed because you're
01:02:54
saving a city of people or, you know, the villain is gonna set
01:03:00
off an atomic bomb. I don't know, Like, you need to.
01:03:02
Sometimes you gotta kill people. Sometimes you gotta, sometimes
01:03:07
you gotta do a little murder. Sometimes, sometimes you need to
01:03:11
do a little murder. Right.
01:03:16
Because then it's like you fall into like the issue with Batman
01:03:22
where it's like, cool, yeah, you're like, you're not killing
01:03:25
these villains and you're trying to rehabilitate them.
01:03:28
And that's awesome. But clearly they don't want to.
01:03:33
It just makes it worse. Yeah, so it's so so it really
01:03:39
much is asking that question of just like when do you need to
01:03:42
like cross that line? And it's like Spider Man doesn't
01:03:45
kill people. And that's like the big like
01:03:48
defining thing about Spider Man. And so it's like, like you said,
01:03:52
it is hindering him as a hero. Yeah, and like Daredevil,
01:03:57
Daredevil doesn't kill people, but he, he, he takes them out
01:04:02
enough that he takes, you know, he, he may, he may not kill
01:04:06
them, but he, he goes the messages.
01:04:10
Then he goes further than Peter will.
01:04:12
Like he goes to the point where they're not going to operate
01:04:15
anymore. But Peter won't even he won't
01:04:20
even go that length. That's why I think it's gonna be
01:04:22
real wild to see Frank Castle thrown into the mix because
01:04:25
Frank, I mean, Frank has a code. Like he's not just a obviously
01:04:30
like we joke who is gonna let's kill this guy.
01:04:32
He has a code. He does things for a reason and
01:04:35
target people for a reason. But he is like so opposite than
01:04:39
Peter. So like it's really interesting
01:04:40
to see where that's gonna, how that's gonna line up.
01:04:45
Yeah. I think like that's, it'll kind
01:04:47
of like I at least I hope, I hope that it really just kind of
01:04:52
challenges the idea of responsibility and what that
01:04:56
looks like. Because like in a way, like
01:04:58
Frank is imposing his own sense of responsibility of just like
01:05:02
there are bad people that need to be taken care of.
01:05:05
And if I need to be that person that takes care of it because no
01:05:08
one else will, that is my responsibility.
01:05:11
Right. And he and he doesn't care.
01:05:12
Like, whatever. If society sees me as a monster,
01:05:16
I'll take on being a monster. But I am keeping people safe,
01:05:19
you know? Exactly.
01:05:20
But and now he's gonna have to deal with with two vigilantes
01:05:24
who won't kill anybody. He's gonna be so mad.
01:05:29
He's gonna be so upset. But he's got Jessica.
01:05:32
She'll she'll be like, I'll, I'll, I'll kill someone with
01:05:34
you. Let's go.
01:05:36
Frank is just like mine, used to go to war.
01:05:42
Oh, goodness. Well, I mean, I think we've,
01:05:45
we've, we've spider man all over the place.
01:05:51
It's a verb. We've Spider man up and down
01:05:56
these walls. Please.
01:05:58
Hold, please. Hold.
01:06:01
Hold on, Hold on. I'm hold on.
01:06:09
Oh, there it is. OK.
01:06:13
Please please. Stop it.
01:06:19
That is not what I meant when I said we Spider Man all over the
01:06:21
place. I just meant we talked a lot
01:06:23
about Spider Man. We've we've talked a lot.
01:06:27
Phrasing. There's and you know what, like
01:06:30
we still like didn't talk about like 90% of the Spider Man, but
01:06:35
it's OK. This will be like Spidey, too
01:06:41
many spider man Part 1 of question mark.
01:06:45
Yeah, like I totally agree. There's just so much we can.
01:06:51
I mean, but we did get the Spider Man popsicle in there.
01:06:53
So that's that's a win on my part.
01:06:56
Again, homie saved my life. You can't go wrong with the
01:07:00
Spider Man popsicle. I know it's freak too, like.
01:07:09
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