The Thunderbolts/New Avengers/Avengerz have assembled on Disney+, and Rae and Jenna couldn't miss out on the hype!
On this special audio only mini episode of Femsplaining, your hosts are breaking down the MCU's latest team-up and taking the hard stance that they are far better than the OG Avengers. Join them as they discuss all the ways in which John Walker is an idiot, Bucky's post-credit blowout, and most importantly, Bob.
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Let's go. All right, we're here.
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I feel like we need a little for the special mini episodes.
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I I mean, I feel like that that that worked, that works.
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We don't even need the sound effects, I'll just do that.
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Every every single time mode. So Thunderbolts.
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But yes, we are are is our first ever audio only mini episode.
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We ideally plan to do these as like bonus bonus episodes for
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things that like are either newly released or things we
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really like but don't want to make a full episode about.
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So. So you, you listener, are the
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first in line for the 1st of this experiment.
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I mean it's content regardless, so it's it's still going to be
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the same format, just bite size. Right.
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And you won't see us, which I'm sure is OK for you, but it's
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really good for me because that means I don't have to put makeup
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on. So win, win.
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All of all the girlies, the working girlies.
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Get it? You, you.
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You'd think with us being a podcast that we wouldn't feel
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the necessity to perform, but yet here we are.
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Here we are and we are yes, like Ray said, we are talking about
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Thunderbolts because today, the 27th August 27th, it is
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officially now out on streaming on Disney Plus, which is super
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exciting and we both just watched it this past week for
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the first time, right? Unfortunately, but no like it
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was so yeah, I just. Didn't get around to it in the
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theaters, so I just didn't get around to it in the.
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Theaters, yeah. Like everyone kept telling me
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that I would really like it. And I was just like, I'll, I'll
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get to it, I'll get to it, I'll get to it.
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And then I never got to it. And now, like, I've watched it
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and I'm just like, I can see why everyone was telling me that I
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would like it because I really, really did love them so much.
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I was telling Jenna like, dare I say I like them better than the
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OG Avengers? OK, like this is, I'm glad you
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said that because this is the perfect popping off spot because
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I agree. I hard agree with this.
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Like the OG Avengers of course are classic because it was an
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exciting thing in like 2012 years.
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Like Thor, Oh my God, they're all crossing over and they're
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working together. They're all crossing, crossing
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over and working together. It's so fun, but like, these are
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The Avengers that like you want to see, they're messy.
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They're like they're all kind of a disaster, like, but they are
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heroes. Like they really are heroes in
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their own right. I like the comparison that a lot
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of people like do about The Avengers of like, oh The
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Avengers are coworkers. And I thoroughly agree,
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especially after seeing this dynamic between the characters
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in Thunderbolts. Like this feels like the phone
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family that like everyone kind of wanted The Avengers to be.
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Whereas like The Avengers like everyone has too much of an ego
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to acknowledge the fact of like we need each other.
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Whereas like this is like everyone has an ego, but there
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is like still kind of unspoken understanding of like we need
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each other for better or worse. Right.
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And that's like, you know, when Avengers came out, there was the
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first Avengers came out. And then like afterwards with
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Age of Ultron and everything, like there was that big uptick
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trend in fanfics where everyone was writing they all live
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together in Avengers Tower. You know, like it was like the
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the thing. And that's like what people,
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that's like what people wanted, though.
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People want that wanted The Avengers to be like a found
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family. And you know, I think they they
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dropped the ball with that overall, but especially like
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they could have easily done it with Natasha and Hawkeye because
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like that was. Right there, we will never shut
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up about Natasha and Hawkeye. No, I like no.
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I think the biggest like disservice that the MCU has done
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for itself, especially in terms of like the original, like
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Avengers. I know that like a lot of them
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are really expensive actors, but I I think like during the time
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period they would have been down for like doing series like they
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are doing with current Marvel projects.
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And I think that that would have fleshed out the dynamic a lot
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better. Like the The kids crave The
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Avengers Towers fanfics, they crave Clint in in the vents,
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they crave for Pop Tarts. They crave it.
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Clint in the vents is like the the peak fanfic trope.
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Yes, we, we, we never got it. And you know, if anything, if
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there really is a hot guy season 2, I wouldn't even be surprised
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if they did that because they really embrace the wildness of
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the of the of the a Matt fraction Hawkeye.
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But like I, as I was watching Thunderbolts, I also I loved it.
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Like I wanted to see it. It was like the one Marvel movie
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that I was really actually excited about in a long time.
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And I was excited also about Fantastic Four.
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Like I felt like 2025 was the first time I've been excited for
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Marvel in a long time. And I just didn't get around to
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seeing it in theater. And I watched it the other day
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and I was like, I was taken aback by how emotional I got,
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especially like towards the end that the fact that the big bad
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is literally depression is mental illness.
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It is. It was just, it was heavy, but
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then it was like, it just just that, like the moment where they
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all all of them break free and they run over to Bob and then
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they and they like just embrace him and get him to kind of like
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when and he just lets out that that like SOB.
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I went oh, like I literally out loud when oh, 'cause he lets out
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that that like pained SOB And I was like, Oh my God, Bob.
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Robert. Christian is given.
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Christian, Robert. Like what?
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Is it like Reynolds or something?
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Is it that they say? I I think that I think that like
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his full name is like Robert Reynolds.
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But anyway. No, it's Bob.
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Fucking Lewis Pullman never escaping Bob.
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He is adorable and I don't know why why I'm I'm so dumb and
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didn't realize he was Bill Bill Pullman son.
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Like it just never clicked in my hand.
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See it in his face that knows what do you mean?
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It just didn't, it never clicked.
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I was like, oh, you're so cute, like, oh, Lewis Pullman, like I
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just, it just didn't suck. And then I'm saying it's.
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Out loud, it's not registering. Yeah, yeah.
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Not registering like one of those things where it's like,
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oh, Smith is a common name. It's probably just whatever.
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But then I'm like, Oh yeah, Yup, that's his son.
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That's his son in Hollywood. I mean, do you want to go with
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Wyatt Russell too? We have two Nepho babies in this
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movie. Leave John Walker alone.
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No, no, no, not John Walker. Wyatt Russell and Louis Pullman
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are the Nepho babies here in the in the Marvel, truly in
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Thunderbolts. Oh God.
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I I do have to say when, when Ray and I were like trying to
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figure out when we were going to watch the movie, she sends me a
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text that says, is this the time I tell you I'm a John Walker's
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fan? And I was like, of course.
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Listen, I I can't help liking an evil white man and then he ends
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up being pathetic. Is this also the part where I
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tell you that I really like Cyril in Andor?
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Oh, yeah, that about it's, it's, I'm not surprised.
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Yeah, it tracks. That tracks Cyril and and Walker
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I John Walker like I absolutely hated him in in Falcon and
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Winter Soldier. What's what you're supposed to.
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You're not supposed to like he was so.
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Compelling, though, like I think like, that's one of the things
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that I really like about John Walker is that like, you're
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supposed to hate him, but then you just like really like step
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back and think about like his situation and kind of what the
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government has done for him. And I think like that's kind of
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why I have like my qualms about Brave New World.
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But that can that's that's another mini sewed.
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Right. He, I, I actually like right
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from the beginning when John first showed up, he was so
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funny. He had me laughing like so dumb
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because he's, he's so dumb and he's such an asshole, but like,
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but like dumb, like a dumb idiot who thinks he knows what he's
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talking about. And he had me like dying.
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Yeah, really, I Speaking of like that first, like part of the
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movie Justice for Taskmaster. Like what the fuck?
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What the fuck, dude? I that's so fucked.
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I had no idea the amount of disrespect that that like bruh.
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Like not even like considering the shit that they put the
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actress through, like considering everything but just
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are, are you serious? Like within the first like 5
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minutes of you seeing her like what the fuck?
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And no one cared. Even Elena was like, she did
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some bad stuff, whatever. All did some bad stuff you.
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All are shitty garbage. People, what do you mean?
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Hey, hey hey hey. Bucky Barnes is not a shitty
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garbage. He did things against his own
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will and made amends for it. But.
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He still does questionable things like in his own like
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right state of mind. You can't blame Hydra for
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everything Jeddah. He doesn't do, he doesn't do
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questionable things. He was trying to up to uphold
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justice by taking down. Julia Louis Dreyfus, I mean.
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Come on, I just love. And now he lives.
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I just. Wish they had.
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Oh God, I know that's hilarious. I, I just wish that they had
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shown us the scene where he actually, like, captured them
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all because like, you know, you just go from him blowing up
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their car to like, now he has them all tied up.
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I just want to see Bucky like, dragging all four of their
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bodies in and like, like wrapping them up in ropes,
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giving Walker a kick. You can tell they didn't want to
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have to figure out the logistics of that.
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They just, they they're just really banking on all of like
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the Bucky stands of being like, yeah, Bucky could do that.
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Oh, he could, though, 'cause he like, you know, he, he's Bucky.
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See, I just, I love that scene too, where they were all like,
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there's this guy and his name is Bob.
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Bucky gets the phone call and they're like, yeah, Bob.
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Oh, my sweet, sweet Bob. I did not expect to love him and
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feel the things I felt for him. Oh my God.
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Listen, I love a man who does the dishes.
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He does the dishes. He's a male.
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Wife. Truly he is the male wife of
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that tower now. Congratulations.
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Yeah, he's sitting there. I love that.
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He's just sitting there in his armchair, looking out the
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window, reading a book. He deserves it.
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He's been through too much. Yeah, yeah, That poor kid, That
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poor kid that is a grown man. And he's a baby.
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He's actually a baby. It was low.
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Like I, I thought, I really did think that they would end it by
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finding a way for him to like marry Sentry with the Boyd or
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whatever and like kind of have it so that he can control it.
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But I kind of like that they didn't.
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I like that they left it that he's like, I, I can't, I can't
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be Sentry because I don't know how to how to deal with this.
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Yeah. But I think that was kind of
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cool because other, other movies would have tied it up neatly
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with a bow, right? But they didn't.
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But then it kind of like makes me wonder, I'm just like, what
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role are you going to play in doomsday or even Secret Wars?
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Like, are we going to see century or are you going to lean
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into being? The void, right?
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Yeah, I feel like they can't. I feel like they can't do the
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void again because like it was so impactful having each of the
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thunderbolts go into his void and to fight their own demons
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and be there for him. Like that was just so impactful.
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And I feel like if he goes back to the void, it almost cheapens
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out a little. Like, I don't know.
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I don't know exactly what's gonna happen, but I mean, I
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like. I like.
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To think that we're all like, kind of aware that there's gonna
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be a lot of like, character death in Doomsday, Like, let's
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be honest. So which safe person is dying?
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I don't think it will be, I don't think it will be any of
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the new Avengers 'cause I think they have too much with them and
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they haven't been around long enough like.
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I don't know. I feel like we they'll like
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there, there is no one who's safe, especially at this point.
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Yeah, and with Marvel, you know, death is always questionable.
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It's like a soap opera. If you die in a soap opera, it's
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just a matter of time before. We didn't see a body.
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Wanda still alive? That listen, we we have a whole
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episode devoted to Wanda coming up and we have a lot to say.
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Well, but even what's her name Rio said that which is gone, not
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that which is dead. So you know she's OK, right.
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But I do like how at the very end of the movie after the post
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credit scene, it said the New Avengers and Bob will he's not
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even. A part of the team.
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Oh, Can you imagine going through all that and they don't
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even let him be part of? The team, I mean, I kind of
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don't think that I'd want him on the team anyway.
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I think that like he can be the little like tower mascot slash
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pet like homie can't go on missions.
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What is he going to? Do hey.
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Guys, I pack snacks. Here's here's your here's your
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trail mix, Walker. It's all raisins.
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He would want all raisins trail. He's so stupid and like, I love
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Wyatt Russell. I think that, you know, we've
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talked about this off camera, how I want Wyatt Russell to play
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Agent Callas in whatever they bring him in, Ahsoka or whatever
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they bring him in. He'd be the perfect live action.
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You like pathetic white boys who do morally questionable things.
00:16:21
So you love Agent? Khaled, I do.
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I love, I love Wyatt Russell. I think he's super talented and
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he really he's just so dumb. I just love how to and the fact
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that like they didn't even fix his shield for him.
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Like Bucky easily could have fixed his shield for him with
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his with his bionic arm and they were like Nah, it adds.
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Character. He's such a dumb ass.
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He's got a gun anyway, but. He does.
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He's got a gun. They all have guns, but the
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Bucky scene where he shows up on his motorcycle might have
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changed me religiously. Do you know what changed me
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religiously? Him pulling his fucking vibrator
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out of the dishwasher. Oh.
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OK, that not the blowout. The blowout, OK, but OK, so
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here's another thing that I'm going to tell you that you're
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going to think is really blasphemous, John.
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Unfortunately, I was never a Bucky Barnes girl.
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Like throughout all of the MCU. He was never for me.
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The closest that I got was the flashbacks in the 1940s.
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That's it. You know what?
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I can forgive it because your, your cup of tea is typically
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different than my cup of tea. So it's OK.
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Like like we do overlap in certain things, but I can
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forgive it. I, you know, I love Bucky.
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I he's the best ever. But yes, the the arm in the
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dishwasher was that was top tier writing top tier.
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I talk about stupid like he's so dumb.
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He's so smart and so experienced but so stupid like.
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Well, how else are you supposed to clean it?
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Like what? What are the logistics of having
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a vibranium arm? Right, I don't know.
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We need like a like a anatomy book.
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Do they think, do do you think that like he has to have like
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special cleaner like shipped from like Wakanda for the
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vibranium arm like or, or is he just using like Dawn to show up
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on his vibranium arm and Sherry's just like bro, what the
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fuck? He's a Swiffer, wet pant on his
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vibranium arm. Some Clorox wipes.
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Yeah, that the arm that's probably worth like, God a
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fortune, considering it's made of vibranium and all that and
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the tech in it. But I did like how how he it, it
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wasn't easily destroyed like that.
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It it did like what Sentry messed it up, but he was able to
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put it back on on like, you know, civil war, civil war where
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it just like blew off. So that was nice to like not
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have to deal with Bucky having another arm blown off.
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Like how many times are we going to do this to this guy?
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Until he learns. Until he learns.
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But his blowout though, like we have to talk about it.
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We gotta who taught him how to? Do that with one.
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With one no, he doesn't have two arms.
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Probably Elena. I feel like it would be Elena
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because like they seem like they're bugs, like they're kind
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of like the Co leaders of The Avengers.
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So I think she'd be like she'd be like, we need to do something
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about this, like this is not working for you.
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He just shows up in this the the the that sick new new Avengers
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outfit in a blowout. He's ready to go.
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The sick New Avengers outfit that Alexi like fucking
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designed. Could you imagine?
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That would be so funny. OK, we need to talk about Alexi
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though, because he is a scene. Stealer he is.
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So funny but so heartwarming. Like he is so dad he.
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He's so dad, he's dead. He's dead.
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He is dead. I think like the scene where he
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really got like, emotional towards Elena and was like, I'm
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sorry, I didn't know what to do, you know, that was like, really
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great. But he also is just so like the
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embarrassing dad. Like Elena, it's me, your dad.
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Like, I love him. Oh.
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God, they're all just so stupid. They they should really go with
00:21:01
The Avengers with AZ. That was pretty good.
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That's top tier marketing right there.
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That is Elena going see This is why we're Avengers with AZ just
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like OK, but the fact that Sam Wilson is suing them is the fact
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that he. Copyrighted it.
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It's just like, Sam, what are you doing of all guys that.
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You are doing in your free. Time.
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That is a dumbest shit. Also, like he has never led The
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Avengers. Like he's never been like ever.
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And he's still not leading The Avengers.
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He's just hanging around with his friend who's now the Falcon.
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Like what are you doing, Sam? He's putting together a team.
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No, he's like, I know, I love that.
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I love that. Bucky's just like, yeah, I
00:22:01
talked to him and it didn't go. Well, I just want like a, a 30
00:22:07
minute thing of like them going back and forth about that
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conversation, right? Like Bucky being like, are you
00:22:17
serious? You're copywriting The Avengers.
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You literally can't do that. And he's like, watch me.
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He has ties. To the government.
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Yeah, for real. Is Nick Fury still alive?
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I can't remember. Space.
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He's in space, right? Yes, we stay with a question
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Mark. He's going to come back and like
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slap Sam Wilson and be like, you can't.
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I made The Avengers. You cannot copyright this.
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I hung out with a cool lesbian one time in the 90s and created
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The Avengers. You can't do this.
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For those of you who don't know, that's Captain Marvel.
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We love you, Brie Larson. Please come back.
00:23:02
We do please, please, but like I I really I knew I would like it
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because not just because I'm a I'm a hopeless Bucky Stan and I
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do love David Harbour. You know, it's the cast is top
00:23:16
tier. They're all I really like
00:23:19
everyone in the cast. And Julia Louis Dreyfus is an
00:23:22
absolute icon. Like she's just, she's just on
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her on her own level. She's so perfect as Valentina.
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But I just didn't expect it to be so emotional and like, take
00:23:38
such a different route than any other MCU movies did, where it's
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about embracing, you know, embracing the darkest parts of
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yourself and fighting through it.
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Like it Really really touching. Yeah, I think like, that's like
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something that I enjoyed as well as that they all have their own
00:24:02
like demons, but they're still able to show up for for Bob and
00:24:07
like each other. And I, I hope that we get to see
00:24:11
them become more of like a team instead of like stumbling into
00:24:18
like cooperation and it working out right.
00:24:22
I think like that might have been the implication because it
00:24:25
looked like like in the post credit scene, it kind of felt
00:24:27
like they were coming back from maybe a mission or something
00:24:30
like that. Like, yeah, except Alexi, who
00:24:33
was wearing his Avengers with AZ get up listen.
00:24:38
And Bob, he's. He's marketing OK.
00:24:39
Like that's, that's a lot of work.
00:24:44
He's talking to merchandisers. And he also named them the
00:24:50
Thunderbolts. I mean, Alexi's out here, out
00:24:53
here doing all the hard work. Let's go, thunderbolts.
00:24:58
Let's go, Thunderbolts. But yeah, and especially, like,
00:25:02
when you think of all the trauma that each of them have
00:25:05
individually, you know, Elena with the Red Room Walker with
00:25:11
all his bag baggage and like, arguably the worst is gotta be
00:25:15
Bucky. Like, I mean, he's been through
00:25:18
what, almost a century of half a century of torture and
00:25:23
everything, and all of them got through the rooms in the void.
00:25:28
Yeah. To get to Bob.
00:25:30
And I, I just, I, I just think that's so impactful.
00:25:33
And I I would die for Bob. I think, I think something that
00:25:41
I would have liked to have seen though, is that to piggyback off
00:25:44
of like them kind of going through and reliving their
00:25:47
trauma through the void rooms of just like see them come out a
00:25:51
little bit more changed of like you, you had to face this like
00:25:58
dark night of your soul essentially.
00:26:02
And really like reconcile with that to push through this to get
00:26:06
to the next stage essentially. And it's just kind of like in a
00:26:11
way, just kind of how they present to the characters still
00:26:14
kind of behaving. They're not really changed by
00:26:20
that experience. It's like a like, it's just a
00:26:23
random Tuesday. I totally didn't have to relive
00:26:25
my wife leaving me with my like with my child because I was a
00:26:29
shithead who couldn't get over like how the government fucked
00:26:33
me over. Or yeah like I had to watch my
00:26:39
younger self be a good friend of mine into being shot point blank
00:26:46
in the fucking head. Like I right?
00:26:50
Yeah, they like, it could have been something like in order to
00:26:57
progress to that next part, they like, had to forgive themselves
00:27:03
because like, even like, like Alexi, I think Alexi says it to,
00:27:06
I was going to say Natasha to Elena.
00:27:08
Like you were a child. You were, you were, you were
00:27:11
just a child. Like you have to kind of forgive
00:27:13
yourself. And I would have liked to have
00:27:16
seen what the others saw. Like I like, I mean, Bucky, we
00:27:23
know he goes. Yeah, it was great.
00:27:25
I have a great past that. Was just such a good.
00:27:27
Bucky line. I was like, yeah, it was
00:27:31
fantastic. I have a an awesome pass, but
00:27:34
like I would have liked to have seen even just like glimpses,
00:27:37
even though I know like the focus was really how Elena was
00:27:40
the one who connected to Bob the most, which by the way, I ship
00:27:44
that like I don't it was like. No, I don't like.
00:27:49
I think like my thing is like it in a way, like it comes off as
00:27:59
Yelena like infantilizing Bob and like it's less about like
00:28:04
them connecting and like seeing each other's demons and more of
00:28:08
just like Yelena needing this to like kind of feel like a good
00:28:13
person. I, I guess, yeah, it could be
00:28:18
interpreted like that. I see, I saw it more as like she
00:28:22
sees herself in him. Yeah.
00:28:24
Like she understands him. She, she knows what it's like to
00:28:28
go through that darkness and, and, and not be able to come
00:28:31
back from it. So like she sees a kindred soul
00:28:34
that you know, maybe they they like, you know, she can relate
00:28:38
to and help. I guess like my thing is like I
00:28:41
don't like typically deeply resonate with like trauma
00:28:46
bonding being like the basis of a romantic ship and I think.
00:28:54
But also, he's so cute, he. Is so cute.
00:28:56
He is so cute. But yeah, I just, I, I feel like
00:29:03
they're just like 2 broken people that like they can easily
00:29:06
like be each other's, like safe person, right?
00:29:10
But I don't see it like as like romantic, like I see it as like
00:29:14
a both like helping each other through it to like reconcile
00:29:18
like that. Hey, you're not like a
00:29:19
completely like shitty human being.
00:29:23
But I'm also like I, I like Geelena and Kate Bishop.
00:29:28
So I think that their dynamic is really cute and fun.
00:29:32
I, I'm a sucker for banter. That's that's my issue.
00:29:37
Yeah, I don't think in the film it was implied to be romantic
00:29:42
between them, but like in just in the future I would think that
00:29:46
that they could possibly be good.
00:29:48
However, I did forget. You just did remind me of Kate
00:29:52
Bishop. And that is, and I think I've
00:29:55
said it on one-on-one of the last episodes, that that's the
00:29:59
Hawkeye and Black Widow pairing that we need since Marvel
00:30:04
dropped the ball with Nat and Clint.
00:30:06
So give us Kate and Yelena. Give us Kate and Yelena for
00:30:10
real, for real. But it's I, I really loved it.
00:30:18
I am happy to see it. Marvel really kind of stick
00:30:23
their neck out and do something different, like it wasn't just
00:30:26
the typical, the typical punch the bad guy and win the day sort
00:30:31
of thing. But apparently it bombed in the
00:30:37
box office, apparently. Yeah, because people are dumb.
00:30:41
I don't know how people are stupid, but I don't know.
00:30:44
I just, I, I just can't wait to see what Bob does in, in The
00:30:48
Avengers movie. If he just is just Bob, if he's
00:30:51
just there, he's just. Hosting everyone at Avengers
00:30:54
like Tower like when they're all like me or like when they go to
00:30:58
the fucking Baxter Building. He's like helping Herbie make
00:31:01
sex for all of like the interdimensional like variants.
00:31:05
He's not actually like participating in the mission,
00:31:09
he's just like making sure everyone's comfortable.
00:31:13
And meanwhile he is like the most powerful being, like ever.
00:31:18
Depression is a hell of a drug. That's true and and also meth.
00:31:24
It's that part I feel like people keep glossing over the
00:31:27
fact where he's just like he was on meth at one point.
00:31:31
Like to me that like loses points for Bob attractiveness.
00:31:35
Like I understand, like you're going through something, but
00:31:37
that's meth dog. I mean, you had you had a really
00:31:43
you're rough go like. Yeah, I'm just like that.
00:31:46
That is rock bottom. You, you really went through it,
00:31:49
kid. He did.
00:31:52
And like, if I had lived the life Bob lived, I also would
00:31:56
want to be a giant void that tortures other people like the
00:32:04
meth. Oh God.
00:32:06
Oh, oh. Speaking of when you just said
00:32:08
the Baxter Building. Speaking of when you just said
00:32:12
the Baxter Building. You know, in that post credits
00:32:14
scene you see the Fantastic Four ship.
00:32:15
And I know that Marvel has confirmed that it is not Earth
00:32:19
828. Fantastic.
00:32:21
Right. So what I would love to see
00:32:24
personally is the ship lands and Johnny Storm, Chris Evans, as
00:32:30
Johnny Storm steps out and Bucky's like Steve.
00:32:33
He's like, who the hell is Steve?
00:32:34
And like who the hell is Bucky? Come on, come on, come on.
00:32:37
Yeah. But what do you think about
00:32:41
that? Who do you think?
00:32:41
Who do you think it is? I think if we're just going to
00:32:47
RIP off the Band-Aid and just like really lean into variance,
00:32:52
I think that that is like a really good like way to go about
00:32:56
it. I unfortunately, I do think that
00:32:58
like Fantastic Four is going to be kind of like the main like
00:33:03
way that they showcase variants. Unfortunately it was like there
00:33:09
are other interesting ways to go about this guys.
00:33:13
But I do think that it it's as as much as I want to see
00:33:19
Fantastic Four, first steps, Fantastic Four, I do kind of get
00:33:23
the inclination that it is going to be the fan service route.
00:33:30
I just think it would be hilarious if just this dude who
00:33:34
looks exactly like Steve steps out and they're like, oh.
00:33:38
My God, that's Captain America. What were you doing here?
00:33:43
What is going on? John Walker shits his pants
00:33:46
immediately. Clutching his Taco shield.
00:33:55
I like that they called him Dime Store Captain America.
00:33:58
I mean, it's not wrong. Shut up, US agent.
00:34:01
Not wrong. Yeah, you're an idiot.
00:34:04
What's with his stupid little beret too that he wears at the
00:34:07
end? What is that about?
00:34:10
It's a part of the uniform. I think it's because they gave
00:34:14
him so much shit about his helmet that he was like fine,
00:34:16
I'm good I'll just. Wear a hat which is worse for
00:34:22
though the Captain America helmet or or the little hat.
00:34:27
You know, I think the helmet, because he he the helmet makes
00:34:30
him look like he has like an underbite and he really doesn't.
00:34:33
He doesn't do anything for for his features.
00:34:37
So I think the hat is the lesser of two evils, but it is real
00:34:42
dumb. But also it goes like it's
00:34:44
douchey enough to go with with John.
00:34:46
Walker fags, fags. Oh my God.
00:34:52
That's the whole episode of us shitting on John Walker, but we
00:34:55
like still also really like him. I think that that is a really
00:34:59
good take away from the movie. I think a lot of people felt
00:35:02
that way. I I I thoroughly enjoyed like
00:35:05
his brotherly bickering with Bob as well.
00:35:08
I thought that that was really like funny and cute of them and
00:35:12
it's like y'all are stupid, shut up.
00:35:15
Yeah, but he was, you know, he and I like that he was the
00:35:18
second one to to embrace Bob. Like Elena got out there at 1st
00:35:22
and then it was John. John was the next one who was
00:35:24
out. And I thought that that was
00:35:26
super meaningful because he was the one who was so terrible.
00:35:29
Yeah, awful to him. He's just emotionally inept,
00:35:33
like most military men. It happens.
00:35:37
I loved how Bucky just like just shut up and blew up John's spot
00:35:40
and was like sorry your wife and kids left you.
00:35:48
Like Bucky really was really dug the knife in.
00:35:53
He will never forgive John Walker for what they went
00:35:56
through. Valid.
00:36:00
Valid, yeah. That was funny.
00:36:03
That was that got me good. He in front of everybody too,
00:36:06
like in front of the whole, the whole squad.
00:36:07
He's like, guess what? There's.
00:36:15
Such misfits and it's so perfect and also super dangerous that
00:36:21
that Valentina is the Nick Fury of this this Avengers team.
00:36:26
Yeah, yeah. So much questionable behavior
00:36:31
left and right. She's super questionable, but
00:36:37
like also girl boss, like you're she's a woman in power who has
00:36:41
to make a stand. I mean, it's hard, yeah.
00:36:45
Not saying you should do human experimentation to get ahead,
00:36:49
but I am saying it's hard out there for a woman in politics.
00:36:59
It's it's the fact that every time we're just villain
00:37:04
apologists. Every.
00:37:07
Time I mean, she actually has no redeeming qualities.
00:37:14
No, it's like, yeah, her dad got shot by the mob, whatever, like
00:37:17
that was his fault and she has nothing redeemable about her but
00:37:21
it but it's OK. Like she's just, she's just
00:37:25
doing what she has to do. Technically she really doesn't
00:37:29
have to do that. She's still choosing to do that.
00:37:32
It's not like a an Ultron or a Thanos or a Scarlet Witch
00:37:37
situation. Like honestly, I, I do think
00:37:40
that that Valentina is wrong. Like unfortunately as as much as
00:37:44
I love you girls. Oh, oh, no, she's wrong.
00:37:48
I, I can't. She's wrong.
00:37:49
I can't support these women's wrong, sorry.
00:37:53
She she did a real bad shit. Also she was ready to incinerate
00:37:58
them immediately. Oh my God, she was like, set
00:38:07
them on fire and do it right now.
00:38:11
This woman. I mean, she's clever though.
00:38:13
She's clever. That's what makes her a good I
00:38:19
guess. I wouldn't even call her an anti
00:38:20
hero because she's straight up bad.
00:38:22
Like she's not good. Yeah, no, that's.
00:38:26
What makes her so such a good villain is that she actually has
00:38:31
the brains behind it. She's not just like, I'm a big
00:38:36
alien that's going to blow up Earth.
00:38:38
Like she's like, I'm going to politically maneuver my way into
00:38:41
power and then control The Avengers.
00:38:46
You just know that Bucky is seething every day that he is in
00:38:51
that tower. And then meanwhile, like he was
00:38:56
like the number one proponent of trying to get her impeached and
00:38:59
now he works for her. He is so mad.
00:39:04
He's so madman, he is. He's got it.
00:39:10
Bucky can't catch a break, man. The man cannot catch a break.
00:39:15
But don't hang out with Bob and read books and read books in
00:39:18
front of the window like. Have a Bob day them reading Lord
00:39:22
of the Rings or The Hobbit. How cute, right?
00:39:26
It's just they're hanging out and Bob's got his little coffee.
00:39:28
Club that would be so. Cute Marvel, please can we have
00:39:34
a spin up series that's Bucky and Bob?
00:39:36
So let's call the fucking Bob. But but yeah, overall, I mean, I
00:39:42
loved it. I really, really loved it.
00:39:45
It was like miles ahead of other things that Marvel has done in
00:39:50
the past few years, with the exception of like a few things
00:39:53
on Disney Plus. It was, I can't believe it
00:39:58
didn't do as well in the box office.
00:40:00
But also like, there's a lot of factors that go into that.
00:40:03
But I absolutely loved it. I thought it was great.
00:40:08
Yeah, I thought that it was like absolutely fantastic.
00:40:10
I think like my issue with Marvel, like recently is that
00:40:12
they're so they've been so focused on quantity over quality
00:40:18
and it really showed. And now we're like kind of
00:40:21
getting back to quality. And now they're just like, you
00:40:23
know what, fucking start over. Just like please don't.
00:40:30
Yeah, they're like, here's a new Avengers team.
00:40:34
They're all a bunch of misfits. But now we have an Avengers team
00:40:36
again, and I'm like, OK, let's do.
00:40:38
This Let's fucking go. If if anyone deserves to be an
00:40:45
Avenger, it's Alexi because he's so excited.
00:40:47
He's so excited to be there. Saying that Red Guardian
00:40:53
deserves to be an Avenger. It's just he's just so he's just
00:41:00
happy to be there. The most morally questionable
00:41:08
Avengers group ever. But it's OK because most of them
00:41:12
are happy to be there. Right.
00:41:15
And they're not sanctimonious either.
00:41:17
So that's what I like too. They're and they're not afraid
00:41:19
to be like, I'm gonna kill that guy.
00:41:21
Like they're, they're not like, you know, pulling punches.
00:41:26
That's what we need from our Avengers.
00:41:28
Everyone on the same page of killing guys.
00:41:32
Yeah, look like murder is OK if it's a bad guy.
00:41:36
That's like in their their Avengers Handbook.
00:41:41
And then they just like have like this whole like moral
00:41:44
dilemma in like in the margins of like, what actually
00:41:47
constitutes a bad guy? Is this subjective?
00:41:52
Is there like? A point.
00:41:57
Could you imagine? They're all just arguing.
00:42:02
John Walker, we got to kill this guy.
00:42:05
He's a meme. And then everyone's just like,
00:42:09
what do we have to like his crimes is like only like, kind
00:42:13
of bad. Like maybe prison Prison.
00:42:18
Yeah, I would love to see like the OG, like 2012 version of The
00:42:26
Avengers. Meet this version of The
00:42:28
Avengers. They would be like, what the
00:42:31
hell? They all have deadly weapons.
00:42:36
They all are not afraid to kill, to kill a guy.
00:42:39
They're not. I think it's like, interesting
00:42:41
to think about like OG Avengers and how subconsciously like,
00:42:46
they're probably just was this overarching, like need to
00:42:50
perform. So that kind of like bled into
00:42:55
their overall presentation and how they interacted with not
00:42:58
only like each other, but like the world and like even their
00:43:02
own worlds where it's just like, yeah, you're like the superhero
00:43:05
team. So therefore you kind of have to
00:43:06
like be as good as possible, rather than kind of like doing
00:43:11
what is ultimately right. Right.
00:43:15
Like, yeah, you're, they're held to a certain standard to like
00:43:17
make, make superheroes look good.
00:43:19
It's like a Superman complex. Yeah, yeah.
00:43:23
And this, this team of The Avengers is definitely not that
00:43:27
sort of iteration, which I love. I love it.
00:43:30
I love seeing like this grittier.
00:43:32
Like they're fun. They're like fun.
00:43:36
They're funny. They really do feel, they feel,
00:43:39
like you said earlier, like the fan, the found family, like
00:43:41
that's that. I really love that.
00:43:43
Yeah. So that's, that's, I think it's
00:43:47
our take away on Thunderbolts, right?
00:43:49
Yeah, everyone should go watch Thunderbolts it.
00:43:52
It's a good time. Go watch it and make sure you
00:43:54
watch to the end. Go watch it.
00:43:57
Make sure you watch all the way through the end because there
00:44:00
are two two post credit scenes. Or watch them on YouTube,
00:44:04
whichever. You could do that, too.
00:44:06
Yeah. Yeah.
00:44:07
And but, you know, you definitely have to watch the
00:44:09
second post credit scene for Bucky's blowout.
00:44:10
Worth it? Let's take the take away here
00:44:15
is. With this Dyson air wrap.
00:44:20
Stop it. Not a Dyson air wrap.
00:44:26
Maybe his arm has a built in feature that's a Dyson air wrap
00:44:29
like. Oh.
00:44:36
That's next on Femmes planning is where we we pause it.
00:44:39
How Bucky does his hair fuck. Well, thank you guys for
00:44:46
listening. I hope you enjoyed our, you
00:44:51
know, off the wall at least coherent conversation we under.
00:44:57
Talked about Thunderbolts and Thunderbolts adjacent kind of
00:45:00
stuff like we, we kept it to to Marvel, we kept it to Avengers
00:45:05
and Avengers with AZ. So I think that this was really
00:45:09
good little ones. Bye, guys.