Hell is about to freeze over because Rae and Jenna are finally diving into the chaotic, musical, and surprisingly wholesome world of Hazbin Hotel!
In this episode of Femsplaining, we’re breaking down everything that made Season 1 an angelic hit: the spectacular characters, the catchy-as-hell songs, and why Lucifer is a short king. We’ll cover our favorite moments, the most interesting reveals, and really think about what we want answered in Season 2.
And of course, it wouldn't be Femsplaining if we didn't defend a questionable character: the Radio Demon, Alastor! Get ready for some serious Alastor-stanning as we discuss his motivations, the questions surrounding who's controlling him, and why he is the best bad guy on the block.
With Season 2 dropping on Prime Video on October 29, we put on our theorist hats to wildly speculate about what's next for the hotel staff, Alastor's deal, and who might finally achieve redemption! Tune in before you binge!
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There we go. Welcome.
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Welcome to hell, everybody. So America.
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Well, yes, but also the topic of the day.
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But if we get political, that could take a real dark turn,
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perhaps even darker than hell. Itself.
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I mean, I hear that the Princess is really turning it around, so.
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I mean, she's sweet. She likes to sing.
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I'm I'm down. I'm down for it.
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What does it say about musical theater as like concept that
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it's so prominent and has been hotel like?
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Is this commentary on like how theater, kids and people?
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Are literal or I was thinking like maybe it's a cultural thing
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of how like shit sucks like in real life.
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So people, people tend to really like musicals and but the the
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hell part, yeah, the hell part is question.
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Have you? Ever met a theater person?
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Yeah, deep lore on me is in college I was not a theater kid.
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Let's let's preface it with that, But a friend, like who was
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my best friend growing up, she got into theater in college.
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And then by proxy, I became like friends with the whole group of
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theater kids. And it was kind of like being in
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hell. I like to think that the kindest
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thing that I've ever done for the world is not allowing myself
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to be a fully realized theater kid.
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Yeah, yeah. I'm glad you stopped wherever
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you stopped, because you're perfect the way you are.
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Could you imagine me wanting to be an actor?
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Oh my gosh, the vanity is already bad as it is.
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What? Fuck.
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Yeah, like, like podcasting is the perfect medium.
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Like, like we're, we're good. We're good here guys.
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I mean maybe like voice over like that's not that bad because
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they're not like really like like the I mean they probably
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are all ex theatre kids, but they don't come off that way, at
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least in my experience. A little bit more humble.
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The ego hasn't been that inflated.
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Right, it's true at least like so based on my like 3-3 years in
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the industry and interviewing like people from different
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mediums, you know, I've done movies, TV, anime.
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It's the, it's the anime voice actors who really, really hit
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the best. They're like so cool and you
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want to just hang with them. I think they're just like, hey,
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I wandered in off the street and they gave me this job to like
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voice fucking U GE to Dory there was.
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One point in my life that I did really want to be a voice actor.
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Maybe I should revisit that. It's so easy to like, do
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projects these days. You should.
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I would, I support this and I, I, I would do everything in my
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power to make it happen because actually today guys, you can't
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see because this is audio. I'm the radio demon.
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And it's fitting because as the Radio Demon, I fucking hate
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being on camera. I actually don't mind being on
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camera, I just need time to prepare like a diva.
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No, I like being on camera. I do actually like being on
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camera. But I was being in character.
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I was being in character. I was being Alistair.
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It, it was a really like funny little surprise when I opened up
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the invite, just sitting there with these Alistair ears, I was
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like, OK, so. That's what we're doing, yes.
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For those obviously who are listening, since this is not a
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video version of famous planning, today I am sitting
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here wearing Alistair ears. There are little clips I have
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for when I wanted to cosplay Alistair, and I was like, you
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know what? It's audio only.
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Like I'm feeling it. I got the camera.
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I got the mug. I'm gonna put the ears on.
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I'm like, I'm going Alistair today, guys.
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For me. Time to do crime, guys.
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If only my mug was like, it said like, Oh dear, because he has
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that mug that says Oh dear. At this rate, like you're just
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mentally planning to just complete the Alistar cosplay at
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this point. My dissent inside.
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Got too real? Alice broadcasting went too
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hard. It went too hard and now I'm a
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demon. So yeah.
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Hi guys. I'm the.
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Demon. I was a demon to begin with, so
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I'm not even gonna lie about. That you worry you can be on my
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demon team, You could be like, you know how like Nifty is like
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his bestie, like he doesn't control her or anything.
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Like they're just, they're just bugs.
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Like they just like to hang around together.
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Facts. It's that one do.
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You like to stay? I haven't tried it, but I think
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that I could. I think you could, I think if I
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gave you like a really big knife I think and said go stamp that
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boat. Actually I think that I have
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like a lot of unchecked rage so. We are learning about Ray today,
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but yeah, so 5 minutes in guys, I think you figured out this
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episode's about has been hotel because we are preparing for the
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long-awaited release of Season 2 that's coming October 29th,
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which is this upcoming Wednesday from our perspective from when
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we're recording right now. And it's going to be a big one.
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Yeah, give me a big one. So we're just going to, you
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know, reflect back on season 1 and what we loved about it.
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And I have some questions that need to be answered in Season 2.
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And if they don't, I'm really going to be.
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I think my biggest thing with has been hotel is that
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unfortunately all I give a shit it's like about Lilith.
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That's all that I give a fuck about.
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Like that's the only like post like a fan like theory and art
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stuff that I really like engage with is Lilith and it's just
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like bitch she was only there in like non voice scenes and we saw
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her for like 2 seconds at the end of the series.
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So what do you mean all you care about is Lilith?
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No, I think that's valid because there's so much mystery
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shrouding her that you know makes for a good story.
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It's like, you know, you assume she's in heaven considering at
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the end of the series loot goes to her and says you know, your
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deal with Adam's off. So you assume she's got to be
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somewhere in heaven. Which is super weird for the
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first woman banished to hell. So bride of.
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So like, do we? So one of like the fan theories
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that I've seen is that like Eve and like Lilith switched places
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and like, kind of like why Lilith was acting the way that
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she'd been towards like Charlie and not really like being
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present. That I haven't heard that one
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before. That's a really interesting.
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Fan theory it's been a minute since I person has been like I
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watched it once and then like it was a hyper fixation for like 2
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seconds and then I kind of like put it away.
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No, that's a really, I've never heard that one and that's really
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cool. I have been on the train of
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that. I'm convinced Eve needs to play
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a part in Season 2 because I wrote, I wrote a whole ass like
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essay on comicbook.com about this because I'm insane.
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Since they're introducing Kane this season of, you know, the
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famous Kane and Abel and they're the children of Adam and Eve, it
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stands to reason that Eve should kind of play a role.
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But then again, like, would she be in heaven since she like she
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was the one who originated sin? Like, would she?
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Actually, she probably wouldn't be, right?
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I think based on how you see heaven portrayed, there's a lot
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of string pulling and a lot of convoluted explanations for
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things. So I think he really wanted to.
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Adam could have pulled strings to like maintain that image of
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like the holy couple. Right.
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He didn't belong in heaven. So like if Adam is in heaven.
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If Adam is in heaven, then why? Why isn't Eve?
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Oh, right, yeah. Exactly, exactly.
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I mean, I think it would be pretty cool to see the Lucifer
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and Eve interact because Lucifer is just a little guy.
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Like he really didn't do anything bad.
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He's just a little dude. He's just a baby.
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He's just a little guy with a big dreams and like he didn't do
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anything, but he did steal both of Adam's.
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Wife, I love that. I love that for him.
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Short king, come in and clutch. Can you imagine like you have
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Adam? Adam is like described as like
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such a such like AI guess almost you could say like a heartthrob.
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He's a rocker. He's like fucking everyone or
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whatever. And then like in comes little
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short King Lucifer and snatches both of his hot wife.
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OK. But like, like what we've seen
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of Lucifer, like he, he's very charismatic.
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Oh yeah. And And so that's easily a way
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to sway a lot of people being charismatic.
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So also like some people can, can look past the short, short
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part and like him being kind of goofy.
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Well. I think he's goofy because he's
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super depressed. This is also like his dad era so
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like he's been datified. He loves being a dad.
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He's like ultimate OK. People are like, I'm not me
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personally, I'm not here for the the Lucifer deadbeat dad slander
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because he's not like Lilith is a deadbeat.
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Dad is deadbeat. Mom yeah, like Lucifer does not
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play a bad Charlie. He loves her so much.
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He does, he just doesn't know how to connect with her and like
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that was the only issue because he's like busy with his like
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ducks and depression. Girl, me too.
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Yeah, it's true. And then like he as soon as I
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just love that whole, that whole that storyline wasn't dragged
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out, that it wasn't like a whole big like I can't trust my dad
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and like I can't reconcile with him.
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Like he showed up at the hotel and was like, yeah, I'm in,
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let's go. And like that was it.
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That was just how it went. Yeah, it was.
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And then he like I did like the fight between him and Adam.
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I was like, yeah, fuck him up. Fuck him up short King.
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But but one of my so my most pressing quest question, I mean
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Lilith is, is a big one for me too.
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Like what the hell is going on with Lilith?
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But my most pressing question that they like really hit you
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with at the very end when Alistair is having his mental
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breakdown in his dilapidated studio is who is controlling
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Alistair? He is not a free agent in Hell.
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Right. Which is unexpected for a AN.
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He's an overlord and like this supposedly the strongest one and
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has his own minions but like someone else is actually
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controlling him. This wild shit to me.
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And then like, I think that there was like the theory that
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it was he has a deal with Lilith, and that's kind of like
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why he's trying to get to Charlie so hard, like have
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leverage. That's see, I kind of thought
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that too. Like I thought like my theory is
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that he had to deal with her because they both so they both
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been gone for seven years, which I think is like, first of all,
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pretty telling. But if Lilith does like love her
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daughter and isn't a deadbeat mom, like maybe she sent him and
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was like, you have to take like your deal is you protect
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Charlie. Like maybe like that's kind of
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because he is super powerful. So like, that was right the way
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I lean. And I think a lot of people that
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you read about in like the fandom kind of all kind of dumb
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to the consensus. They think it's Lilith.
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Yeah, on the topic of Alistair, do we think that he was a
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cannibal? Oh, 100%.
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He eats deer like he's a deer and he eats deer.
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What's that about? Man?
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I love Alistair. I think he's like such.
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So I love him from from a creative point of view, Yeah.
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I think he's one of the most brilliantly thought up
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characters because of just like the way he looks, the way he
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talks, the fact that like he has that old timey radio voice and
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like a laugh track comes out. Like I just really, really love
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how they made him basically like the radio.
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Like, I just think it's so it's just such a cool idea.
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Right. I don't know, I Stan Alistair
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even though he probably was a cannibal and killed a lot of
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people. I really like Silence of the
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Lambs and the Hannibal TV show, so I'm not the person to be
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asking this question to. So Lucifer fits right into not
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Lucifer. I'm sorry.
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Alistair fits right into your wheelhouse, is what I'm hearing.
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Yeah, he was actually Hannibal Lecter.
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He was actually Hannibal Lecter in his life.
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And he was charismatic. Oh my God.
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And just like Ray, you sound like a serial killer apologist.
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So that. I mean he was though, like he's
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still charismatic like in hell. So like, what was he like in
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life? He's probably the best as we
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find out next week. He like probably like mass
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murdered everyone but don't. We all make mistakes.
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Yeah, I mean, so the only one who I think doesn't belong in
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hell and could never have made any mistake in his whole life
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was Serpentius, and that's why. He's in heaven with his kids.
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His. Eggs OK, I need to know this is
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like this is so important to me. Like did his egg boys go to
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heaven too? Like I need to know if they went
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to heaven with him. They were so.
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Precious. Like maybe it's like they they
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weren't actually supposed to be in hell and they just decided to
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be in hell because he was there. That tracks because they are
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kind of dumb and they just like followed Alistair around when he
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was like, you're my minions now. Like it doesn't make sense.
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Yeah, listen, little little babies like eggs like and by
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like the like idea babies always go to heaven, so.
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Oh yes, egg boys should be in heaven.
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Egg boys should be in heaven. Egg Boys should never have been
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in hell, but they were there for their dad.
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So yeah, I just don't out of all of like the characters, the cast
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of characters and like what you see how people act like.
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Sir Penches definitely was super tame compared to everyone.
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He just wanted to blow shit up. He wasn't really bad.
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Like can you blame him? I mean, I think it depends on
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what in like what context. That he's blowing shit up.
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Yeah. But I mean, like, he just tried
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to like, blow up Alistair, which is fair.
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Like that's kind of that's fair. Yeah.
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I don't know. Like he really like when you
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think I'm thinking back to the first season, like he really
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doesn't do anything. That's like a mortal sin.
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I don't think you. See him that we that that we
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know of like yeah, he's like a a low level villain in in like
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actual hell, but the the like the system of sin like has
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already been proven to like be kind of fucked at this rate so.
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That's also something I find super interesting because it's
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kind of Vivian Medrano, Like her take on heaven and hell I think
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is really, really cool because, you know, you think heaven is
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like this great place, which, yeah, you find out it is pretty
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cool. There's like, koalas and
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rainbows and, you know, Darren Criss's is at the pearly gates
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greeting you. But it's just like the way
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Lucifer's fall is described is not that he was evil and
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originated sin, it's that he just, he just wanted to like
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question things and, and they don't want, they don't want
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anything questioned. So I, I think that was a really
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cool creative choice because Lucifer didn't commit immortal
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sin. He didn't do anything really.
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Bad. I mean, yeah, I I do want to
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know like kind of like what the the whole like ranking system
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for the heaven and hell of of the series.
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And just like is it like a good place kind of kind of thing
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where like we just didn't update for the times?
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Yeah, or like, I just think in like maybe they just don't know.
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Like cuz the, the episode where it when Charlie, you know, is in
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heaven advocating for them to allow sinners to be redeemed,
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nobody has an answer when she's like, well, what does it take to
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get into heaven? And like, all the angels are
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like, like, except Adam, who's like, I'll just make some shit
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up on the fly. But like, yeah.
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Nobody quite knows like what it takes.
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Right. But obviously, I guess, you
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know, Pentus was, he was, he repented, he was self, he self
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sacrificed, he was loyal. So like that paid off in the
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end, right? His thinking?
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Because I'm like trying, not like, I'm trying to like think
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about this without like getting super into like the moral
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dilemma of like religion and like the idea of like character.
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But I think like, it's just kind of inevitable considering the
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theme of of like the show. But it's like, what is that
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really saying that Like that's like kind of what deems a good
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person of like, Oh yeah. Like you have to be like
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ultimately like super selfless and like repentant of like
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everything. It was just like, what in the
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Catholic guilt? No, literally as somebody who
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grew up in Catholic school and hasn't gone to Catholic school
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since 8th grade but still has a crushing amount of Catholic
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guilt at all these years, 20-30 years later, 30 years later, I'm
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not 28. Yeah, it's definitely hits hits
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home with that. Like I think maybe that's like
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where the creator was kind of coming from was this idea of you
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have to be perfect and and virtuous and, you know, pure.
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Right. I really thought, to be honest,
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I thought it was going to be Angel was going to be the one to
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be redeemed. No, no, because if we're going
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off of like organized religion and the distortion of like all
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of that, you know, I. Mean his name is Angel though.
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I mean yes, it's Angel dust. I get it because of the drugs,
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but he's Angel. But but did has, has Angel
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actually done anything to show that he's like getting better?
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Or is it just kind of like a farce of going through the
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motions of being a better person like.
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You know, I think he he did, he did get he he showed that he
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improved like that. He became less selfish.
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He was he was like protecting his friends.
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He stood up to right Val like he he so he's making strides.
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It's just. Maybe it's just.
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Not there yet, right? Plus.
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We don't know what he did to deserve to be in hell, like we
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don't know what he has to redeem himself.
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For, I mean, it's probably like all the debauchery.
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I was I was thinking. Drunk over indulgence, I mean.
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Yeah. Well, yeah, debauchery over
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indulgence. Yeah, like if you're going with
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like, if you're going with like the idea of like the seven
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deadly sins. Yeah, gluttony for sure.
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See, OK, now this brings up a really interesting theory I
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have. So this isn't this isn't a
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spoiler because we've all seen the clip now of loot singing
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Gravity and first of all, fucking like a plus plus plus
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plus plus for not only giving her a solo but also calling it
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gravity when her most well known role is alphabet.
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Like that was an beautiful chef kiss like 10 out of 10 no notes.
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But my thing is when I first watched it, I was like, first,
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of course, I'm like, Dang, the girl's going nuts.
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Like she's off her rocker. Like she's, she's picturing
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Adam's like in her head, she's insane.
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But then I was like, there was this one.
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I literally, OK, I promise I'm, I'm not insane, but I literally
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was listening to it and like taking notes because there's a
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lot of religious iconography in it.
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Not iconography, Religious. I guess auditory clues too.
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Like there's chanting, there's like Latin chanting, there's the
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words she says, like an eye for an eye.
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That's like she's going like full Old Testament fucking like
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flood the Earth, right? But there's a scene towards the
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end where she like, flies down and she's upside down and like
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to hit the ground or whatever. And like, the first thing I
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thought of was like, oh, she's gonna become a fallen Angel.
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Like she's engaging in wrath. This is like pure wrath.
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Right. So that's that's my theory on
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that. I mean, yeah, if we're like
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fully leaning into the engaging of sin.
00:20:48
But again, it's like, would it like automatically like affect
00:20:52
like that or like is there like a sort of protection like like
00:20:57
over the concept of like being like an Angel?
00:20:59
Like with with with Aggie, it's like she was kind of like
00:21:04
stripped of it like right. Would someone have to like do
00:21:07
that to Lou or like would it just like come naturally because
00:21:12
of? It like the way you know, if if
00:21:14
a Sinner now it's proven A Sinner can be redeemed and go to
00:21:16
heaven. Like why can't it be reversed
00:21:18
like angels are? Well, not all of them, but like
00:21:22
she's pretty terrible like she does she's.
00:21:24
She's a bad person. She's.
00:21:26
Terrible like she. Why is she an Angel?
00:21:30
Right. She loves to murder like she
00:21:32
loves to murder. She's awful, like.
00:21:36
Right. But she's Jessica Bosk, so I
00:21:39
mean, like, you win some, you lose.
00:21:41
Some Is she really not wicked? Oh, but I'm.
00:21:46
But. We need a slide whistle.
00:21:52
But yeah, I think that I think that's a really interesting
00:21:55
concept that they haven't explored yet.
00:21:57
Like could it, could the process happen in reverse?
00:21:59
And I think if anybody, if it's going to be anybody, it was
00:22:02
going to be loot. Who's going to go?
00:22:03
Because, like, Vaggy, I don't really count because, like, she
00:22:07
was just Luke, just like, just like, fucking ripped her wings
00:22:10
off and said stay here, you're dead to me.
00:22:12
And like, she wasn't like, formally a fallen Angel.
00:22:15
Like, like a fallen Angel. And she has her wings back.
00:22:18
So like, I don't know what that means either.
00:22:19
That's going to mean something. Yeah.
00:22:21
But I think we need to see. We need to see Luke taken down.
00:22:24
She's evil. But would you want like a
00:22:27
redemption arc or would you just like want her to just be evil?
00:22:30
Because I'm fine either way. I don't see now I don't think
00:22:33
I'd want a redemption arc because there is also the idea
00:22:38
of like some people just can't be redeemed.
00:22:40
Like you can't tell me Vox could be redeemed or Valentino or like
00:22:43
they're like there's no way to atone for the things that they
00:22:48
do like right. I so I don't think especially
00:22:51
based on how loot is as a character, she's so of single
00:22:55
mind. She's so like, again, like Old
00:22:58
Testament, like God is going to burn you up like so I don't
00:23:01
think she would even be like open to the idea of redemption.
00:23:04
I think she'd be so resistant. But is it coming from a place of
00:23:07
grief after losing Adam? I mean she was already pretty
00:23:09
bad. But it's also like, it.
00:23:14
Is it because of like indoctrination and like even her
00:23:18
own feelings kind of beating her down a path of like this
00:23:22
radicalism? Interesting speak speaking.
00:23:26
Speaking of Adam though, I am so fucking excited that Patrick
00:23:31
Stump is voicing Abel. Like what?
00:23:34
In the Fallout Boy? How did that happen?
00:23:38
People really just be asking. Yeah, I imagine he must have
00:23:41
been a fan of the show, but like, I know he does a lot of
00:23:44
voice work, too. He does do like, yeah, stuff
00:23:46
like that. But when I heard that casting I
00:23:49
was like Oh my God If they don't give him an absolute emo 2010's
00:23:53
banger I'm going to be so upset. Now you have to wait until
00:23:56
season 3. I'm I'm excited about that
00:23:59
casting. And I think it's, I think it's
00:24:00
cool that they're they they brought in Abel and they didn't
00:24:04
like completely. So like they're keeping Canon
00:24:07
with the Bible, if you will. Like they're not just, they're
00:24:11
not just like erasing, erasing that and making up their own
00:24:15
story. Like, yeah, Adam did have Adam
00:24:17
and Eve had kids. Like there they are.
00:24:18
Oh. My God, excuse me while I
00:24:23
consult the deep Lord pulls out the Bible.
00:24:26
Whips out Bible. Let me just let me just check
00:24:29
this out real quick. Oh my God.
00:24:31
But if Abel's, I mean, if Abel's in heaven, it stands to reason
00:24:34
that Cain should be in hell, No, I mean, I mean he was the first
00:24:38
person who invented murder like. I mean, yeah.
00:24:43
Could you imagine inventing murder?
00:24:46
I'm a little nervous, right? It's like really thinking about
00:24:48
it and it's making me slightly nervous.
00:24:52
Listen, you brought up the concept of inventing murders.
00:24:56
So it's just like how, how would you really like go about that
00:24:59
other than planning a? Murder.
00:25:02
And that's exactly what he did. See, I imagine that if we see
00:25:07
Kane, he's going to be just like Adam and then Abel.
00:25:11
I mean like at the at the has been panel and your Comic Con
00:25:16
Vivian said that she's like he's really soft.
00:25:19
Abel's really soft, like sweet boy.
00:25:21
So like I imagine he would be like Eve since Adam is
00:25:24
absolutely not any of those things, right?
00:25:26
He's a Dick master. Trash can of a man and it was
00:25:30
like so the thing about Adam is that like I always like see like
00:25:34
people like draw like thirsty fanner about him just like
00:25:38
Batman is slimy stop that he's. Like every gross dude whoever
00:25:46
hit on you unwantedly rolled into 1 * 10 real.
00:25:52
He is. And he's, you know, he claims
00:25:55
he's a musician with his guitar, so that makes it even worse
00:25:57
because he you know, you know, he's like.
00:26:00
Anyway, here's Wonderwall and. It was supposed to say, Oh my
00:26:07
God. It's like in Barbie when when
00:26:11
Ken is just playing push by the Goo Goo Dolls for like 8 hours.
00:26:18
Or Matchbox 20, I forgot who sings.
00:26:19
That no. And then now that's, that's a
00:26:23
layer of hell right there. That is, that is like straight,
00:26:26
straight to hell if you if you play Wonderwall or Push.
00:26:36
I think we should be the overlords now.
00:26:38
I think we have good ideas to send people to heaven or hell.
00:26:45
Our moral system is just that good.
00:26:47
We we apologize for Campbells and advocate for vigilantes to
00:26:55
kill people. And you?
00:26:59
And Oscar, Isaac and Petro. Pascal kiss they could OK, so
00:27:03
they should be definitely in Hazman and definitely kiss.
00:27:06
They should be gay angels because I want to see since the
00:27:09
angels are ready. It's been alluded to that they
00:27:12
hate the gays. Yeah, I was going to.
00:27:15
And that's also why I think that Angel Angel Dust is still in.
00:27:19
Oh, I didn't think about that. Yeah.
00:27:22
That that that's immediately what I was like referring to
00:27:25
when I was mentioning. Well what you said over
00:27:28
indulgence, I assumed I was like oh drugs and shit.
00:27:31
Well, that that and it's also like the God people apparently
00:27:37
don't like gays. Allegedly.
00:27:40
Well, yeah, especially like I think Adam and Loot both are
00:27:43
like, this is blasphemous, this is a crime.
00:27:47
And yeah, meanwhile they have like Darren Criss, who's the
00:27:51
most girly pop Saint Peter I have ever seen.
00:27:54
Like. There's a lot of closeted gay
00:27:58
people in your local. Churches in your local heaven.
00:28:03
In my local heaven. Not in my local.
00:28:06
Microplastics too. In the microplastics, yes, there
00:28:09
are microplastics. Actually, I don't know if you
00:28:11
guys know this, but the surgeon general told me that
00:28:14
microplastics could make you gay.
00:28:15
So something about these Alistair ears today is is is
00:28:23
opening something within me that I'm not sure I like.
00:28:26
Is this some weird propaganda that you're spewing?
00:28:28
And. That's probably what he did on
00:28:31
his radio show. You know, he was just like, it's
00:28:35
just like it's OK to kill your neighbor.
00:28:39
Feed your local cannibals. Yeah, I I did think that that
00:28:46
right away with Alistair in the beginning of the season when
00:28:48
he's eating a deer, I'm like, bro, aren't you like a deer?
00:28:52
Like which also also an interesting concept is why the
00:28:59
demons look like they do. Like, why is he the radio?
00:29:03
Well, not why is he the radio demon, but why does he look like
00:29:05
a deer? Why does why is Vox ATV like?
00:29:09
What in their life reflects that?
00:29:12
Like what? There's got to be meaning behind
00:29:14
that because it's, it's just too specific, you know?
00:29:17
Yeah, like I like, like I think it's it doesn't help that we
00:29:21
haven't seen like actual like humans unless like is is hell of
00:29:27
a boss like connected to Yeah, yeah.
00:29:31
It's connected. I actually haven't watched Hell
00:29:33
of a Boss so I don't know much. I also haven't watched Hell of a
00:29:36
Boss, but I know that like we've seen like interactions with the
00:29:39
mortal world in that show, humans still look like humans,
00:29:43
which makes me interested of the whole like how you end up
00:29:47
looking in like the grand scheme of thing because it's just cool.
00:29:50
You have Angel Dust, who's a spider, but then you also have
00:29:52
his sister who's also a spider. So why?
00:29:56
Right, because they're family. They all they became spiders
00:29:59
because they're family. Or like, is it, is it a
00:30:01
reference to a web of lies? Is it you don't, you don't know,
00:30:05
right. But the angels have human
00:30:06
appearances, which is interesting.
00:30:08
The angels don't don't have that, right.
00:30:10
So and and I and I guess like I said, I didn't know about hell
00:30:13
of a boss, so I didn't know they interacted with the mortal
00:30:15
world, which is interesting because then it implies that the
00:30:18
characters we see and has been can do the same thing.
00:30:20
And we have not seen that yet. Yeah, yeah.
00:30:24
And I couldn't believe, though we haven't talked about Charlie
00:30:27
because she's such a like, she's an actual Angel.
00:30:29
Why is she in hell? Besides the fact that she's
00:30:31
Lucifer's daughter? Ray's buffering, I mean.
00:30:36
I think that that's literally it.
00:30:38
Like I don't think that there's like any other because then it's
00:30:43
also like the idea of like a child born from sin.
00:30:47
Is that child inherently sinful or do they get their own kind of
00:30:51
counter of sin? Religion is a very like messy
00:30:54
thing. I have a very messy relationship
00:30:57
with religion, but I do think that religion is an interesting
00:31:00
topic. Yeah, and it's an interesting
00:31:03
it's a pretty cool concept to take and structure this show
00:31:07
around because. Well, that's why I love the good
00:31:09
place too, because their take on.
00:31:12
Yeah, we love we have to do an episode on a good place because
00:31:14
I could talk about that for like, I know it's 18 hours
00:31:16
straight, you know, that's why I like the good place because of
00:31:17
their take on things. And I do really like the has
00:31:22
been hotel questions that are brought up because clearly
00:31:25
there's a very strong. I mean, I would, I would argue
00:31:27
Catholic influence, if not Christian in general, but you
00:31:33
know, the way the rules are is pretty interesting, especially
00:31:38
that heaven's hypocritical. I think that's like a really big
00:31:41
thing. Yeah, for sure.
00:31:44
Yeah, when heaven is is wrong and Lucifer is right.
00:31:48
Like. I mean, I think that it's just
00:31:49
like, unfortunately, like so much stuff is subjective,
00:31:52
especially like where the lines of a good person and someone who
00:31:56
like is just kind of OK. Right.
00:31:59
Blends the lines right and like so.
00:32:01
So for like Lucifer, which I had mentioned earlier, the
00:32:04
interesting thing is how like, he never actually committed sin.
00:32:07
He didn't do anything bad. He just was somebody who
00:32:11
questioned the rigidity of heaven.
00:32:14
And, you know, in order to shut that down real fast, they, you
00:32:18
know, made him the made him a fallen Angel.
00:32:20
And I think he that's his punishment is when he doesn't
00:32:25
really belong there. And he feels like I didn't do
00:32:28
any. All I did was ask questions like
00:32:30
and they wouldn't listen to me, right.
00:32:31
It's very Catholic guilt. So who overall has been?
00:32:39
Who's your favorite? Yeah.
00:32:40
It's you did just rationalize the fact that he you would
00:32:44
support him that he's a serial killer or a cannibal.
00:32:47
You did say that also. He's just like really the best.
00:32:51
He's so fun to watch. Yeah, I, I just thoroughly enjoy
00:32:56
how he's written. I enjoy his motifs.
00:32:58
I I feel like out of all the characters he's the most
00:33:01
cohesive of what his theming is and like his role, but that's
00:33:05
just. No, I totally agree.
00:33:07
Like he, you know, for a demon overlord who you expect to be
00:33:11
underhanded, he's pretty clear what he wants.
00:33:16
He's like I want power and I want to be off this leash that
00:33:19
I'm on because y'all ain't ready for when that happens.
00:33:22
So do we think if Alistair got off his leash, do we think that
00:33:25
he would overthrow Charlie and make hell worse or?
00:33:29
So I actually think he really cares for Charlie.
00:33:31
I do. Even though he's like a demon,
00:33:33
he has been shown to have this affection for her.
00:33:37
You know, even though like you. I am trying to even though you.
00:33:40
Have the whole like, Hell's greatest dad thing where him and
00:33:43
Lucifer are butting head just because they have egos.
00:33:45
He does. Yeah, care for her.
00:33:49
And again, like, going back to the the New York Comic Con
00:33:51
panel, Amir Talai, who voices Alistair.
00:33:55
Somebody asked or the moderator asked, like, who do you think
00:33:58
Alistair trusts the most and who do you think he trusts the
00:34:01
least? And he said that Alistair hands
00:34:05
down trusts Charlie the most. So it makes me think he would,
00:34:09
when it came down to it, protect Charlie, if anything, to spite
00:34:13
Lucifer and be like, you're my child.
00:34:15
Now, I do think he'd overthrow Lucifer.
00:34:16
I don't think he'd fuck with Charlie, but I think I think
00:34:18
he'd immediately, immediately challenge Lucifer.
00:34:22
Yeah, they'd be beefing just for the sake of it.
00:34:26
Just for the sake. Of it for shits and giggles,
00:34:28
he's. Like honestly girl, me too.
00:34:31
Who doesn't love a good power trio and.
00:34:32
They are very funny. I also really like the
00:34:35
Alistair's arrow ace representation.
00:34:38
The way it's like so easy to miss when you watch it because
00:34:42
it's just that one throwaway line where Rosie's like, oh, I
00:34:46
know you're an ace in a hole and he's a what now?
00:34:52
Like, Oh my God. That's a really cool not a lot
00:34:55
of time to spend on it. And I think that that's that's
00:34:57
like great. Like it's just he doesn't even
00:35:00
know. I do.
00:35:02
I do want more moments with Charlie and Baggy where we can
00:35:07
see more of their relationship and how like their relationship
00:35:10
is doing in this really big time of stress.
00:35:13
Yeah. And especially assuming, you
00:35:15
know, with the assumption that the hotel is going to be growing
00:35:19
since it was rebuilt even bigger than before and now has a
00:35:22
reputation, you know, I would think that that comes with a lot
00:35:25
of stress, right? That would be yeah, seeing more
00:35:28
of them. Definitely want that Lilith.
00:35:30
I want to know about Lilith. I need to know what the fuck is
00:35:33
going on with Lilith. Like I just.
00:35:35
Where is Chang? Where is Lucifer's hot wife?
00:35:39
I would also be depressed for seven years if my hot wife left
00:35:42
me. Honestly, he's so real for that.
00:35:46
He is. He's so he's like, I had a
00:35:48
baddie and she just left. Where'd she go?
00:35:51
You want to talk about a man who yearns?
00:35:52
Find yourself a man like Lucifer who worships the ground you walk
00:35:55
on and then goes into a deep spiraling depression if you
00:35:58
leave him. And just starts making a bit of
00:36:02
ducks. I love him so much.
00:36:07
He's just a cool guy. And also the fact that he's like
00:36:10
Jeremy Jordan, who's one of Broadway's biggest stars, always
00:36:13
makes me laugh because I saw something with with Jeremy
00:36:16
Jordan probably after Season 1 came out and he was, I have been
00:36:20
working in this industry for like 20 years.
00:36:22
And the fact that this that now people are going to know who I
00:36:25
am because I'm Lucifer, which I think is hilarious.
00:36:29
Congratulations, that's the secret to success, is to find
00:36:33
something that many people can brain rot over, IE cartoons of
00:36:37
some sense. Exactly, exactly.
00:36:39
I I want to see more of Rosie in season 2.
00:36:42
I really liked Rosie. Adore her she's.
00:36:44
So funny. And she's nice and like,
00:36:46
maternal. She's not what you expect for an
00:36:49
overlord. Yeah, an overlord of.
00:36:51
Cannibals. Yeah.
00:36:52
More time in cannibal town. Yeah, thank.
00:36:54
You we need a whole season and just hanging out in Cannibal
00:36:56
Town but with Susan. Susan yeah, definitely would
00:37:03
like to see more Rosie. I think she we've only scratched
00:37:07
the surface of what she has to offer.
00:37:09
I know season 2 is like confirmed that the VS are going
00:37:14
to be the antagonists, so I'm expecting we might not get a lot
00:37:19
of, you know, the other characters that we like because,
00:37:23
you know, Vox, Val and Velvet are taking center stage.
00:37:26
I just need a short little like mini spin off of cannibal town
00:37:31
where it's just a nice little normal town in hell but the hell
00:37:35
aspect of it is that it has an HOA.
00:37:38
You know Rosie would. You know, Rosie would totally
00:37:40
implement an HOA, but she's just like, so chill.
00:37:46
She's like, do you want some tea and cookies?
00:37:48
Like, yeah, she's she's definitely the landlord there.
00:37:51
She is the HOA. She is the whole HOA.
00:37:57
Funny, But I'm, I'm excited to see the VS as antagonists
00:38:00
because they are so Cundy. Like, can I say that they really
00:38:03
are? Especially Velvet because she's
00:38:06
totally you can't tell me she's not based on Mel B from the
00:38:10
Spice Girls because she's literally Mel B from the Spice
00:38:12
Girls. She sounds like her, she sings
00:38:16
like her, like she's Mel B. What what is it to say that if
00:38:21
she if that was like the the main inspiration to to like make
00:38:25
make Mel B an overlord of hell? I would, I would.
00:38:29
I mean, if I went to hell and Mel B was an overlord, I'd be
00:38:32
like, yeah, that's this is, yeah, that sounds right.
00:38:37
It's like saying Beyoncé would also like, like, you know,
00:38:39
Beyoncé's an overlord. Mel B Like all these like, pop
00:38:42
stars like, yeah, I'd be like. Have you like gotten?
00:38:45
Did you end up watching Inside Job after I suggested?
00:38:50
No, I wound up dying for like like days, so I didn't watch
00:38:53
anything. I'm.
00:38:55
Sorry, I was dying and I'm alive again via the power of Alistair
00:39:01
apparently. Apparently.
00:39:03
But I do have to watch that and then we have to do it a talk on
00:39:06
that. It's really, really good.
00:39:08
And then we can spiral into how Netflix keeps cancelling.
00:39:11
Really. Shit, it's cancelled.
00:39:12
You didn't tell me that part. I mean it's got two parts and
00:39:15
like, but it's still worth watching please.
00:39:18
Watch, I will watch it, but thank you.
00:39:20
And on that note, guys, watch that show, but also get ready
00:39:25
for Hazman Hotel Season 2. It's so soon and we're going to
00:39:29
get nice big songs and new characters and Patrick Stomp and
00:39:37
maybe Alistair being a cannibal. I hope so.
00:39:40
He should. Good for him, good for him.
00:39:42
Support we here on Famous planning.
00:39:45
We stand, Alistair. Alistair did nothing wrong,
00:39:48
except for all the things that he did wrong.