Rae and Jenna are back and they're not alone! They're joined by an incredible guest, comic book writer Cherish Chen, to talk all things Star Wars.
Cherish is the brilliant mind behind the new ongoing series about everyone's favorite morally questionable space archeologist, Chelli Lona Aphra, in Star Wars—Doctor Aphra: Chaos Agent. Listen in as Cherish, Rae, and Jenna live their best Star Wars fangirl lives, talking about everything from Doctor Aphra to Manny Jacinto Tumblr posts. It's a conversation you won't want to miss!
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Well, welcome to Femmesplaining. I'm Jenna.
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I'm Ray. That's Ray.
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And today we are joined by Miss Cherish Chen.
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Hi Cherish, How are you? I'm good.
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Thank you so much for having me. Well, thank you for gracing us
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with your presence today. Yeah, thank you so much for
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making time. Oh, of course, it's just this.
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It is an honor to be here. Yeah, and you, you were briefly
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telling us before, this is the first time you've gotten to talk
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about your new Doctor Aphra series post release, right?
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Yes, more in this format, Yeah, being able to talk a little bit
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more about. So we're two issues in the third
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issue is coming out next week, next Wednesday.
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So yeah, we can talk a little bit about what's going on and
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kind of, you know, I don't know if you guys ever want to talk
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about it once more of a doubt, we can do that too.
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But but yeah, no, the the series is in the middle of its run now,
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right? What part?
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Where are you in Arizona? I'm all the way like in Phoenix,
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so right in the dead center of disgusting heat.
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Yeah, yeah, No, I so weird. Yeah.
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When you went to the side were like, was that you?
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Yes, we can hear you now. Go ahead, please.
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Yeah. No, no, I did.
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Yeah. Ray.
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Ray is in Arizona doing being hot I guess, right?
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The cactus life. Where are where are you?
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Cherish? Where are you located?
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I'm in Los Angeles. OK, I I see.
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It's like 100° there or something.
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It's like really hot right now, right?
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It's also quite warm, Yeah, like late, late summer is always the
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hottest, which is rough. I'm also in the place called San
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Gabriel Valley, which is not the San Fernando Valley, not the
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valley, the other valley. But so it also gets quite, it
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gets quite warm. But yeah, no, I've been here.
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Like basically I grew up in Southern California and then
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went to school at USC, so I've never really left, but I'm
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hopefully going to go to New York for a New York Comic Con.
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We'll see. It's a little ambitious, yeah.
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I don't know if you both are be going to be able to go.
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I'm going to see if I can. I'm hope.
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I'm hoping I can swing like a 48 hour like run, run through Comic
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Con. So we'll see.
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Oh, that would be awesome. I go.
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It's my I always call it like my hometown con, even though I live
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like I live on Long Island. So I'm about an hour and. 1/2
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the city. But it was like my first, my
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first convention ever. And it's like I I've gone since
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damn it, damn it. I've gone since like 2013.
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So I'm super excited. If you get to come, that would
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be awesome. Oh my gosh, I've wanted to go to
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New York, 'cause I, I, I go to San San Diego.
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Obviously that's 'cause it's more local to me, but yeah, I've
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been wanting to go to New York for a long time because with my
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first comic book series of Radiant Red, there was like a
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lot of my, the person I worked with Kyle Higgins on that, he,
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he does a big New York thing. So I was trying to go like 2
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years ago when the book came out, but I was, that's when I
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had my first son, my first child.
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So I was like freshly. I was like, man, I'm always
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timing these out in a really bad, not a bad way, but a tough
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way for me to be able to hit these cons that I would love to
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go to. You know, like AC2E2.
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I still haven't been to either. But yeah, New York I'm excited
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for, and it's like the big Marvel one, because Marvel's
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there. So yeah, hopefully, hopefully we
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can make it. But yeah, there's a little bit
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of a psych. Keep us keep us posted if if
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you're there for it. Yeah.
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But Ray and I are huge Star Wars nerds, right, Ray?
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Yes, definitely. I will admit though, I don't
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really know all that much about AFRA SO.
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That's OK This room, this will will convert you maybe.
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Please. Oh, easily last night I was, I
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was sending right? Like all the articles I've
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written about Afra, I'm like, here's your homework.
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It's it's like 10 articles that I've written about her.
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Oh my God, she's she, I, I, I didn't, I didn't learn about her
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when she so she debuted in 2016. So it was quite a while ago.
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Like it's coming on 10 years. Can you believe it?
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God, that's. Crazy.
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It's wild. It's so crazy.
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And I actually didn't hear about her until like probably a couple
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years after her run was like Dylan's run was going and I
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heard about Sarah Kuhn's audio drama and all that stuff.
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And anyway, they've done a ton of cool things with her since.
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But yeah, she's it's, it's, it's wild how long she's been around.
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And then it's like this very super popular, but very niche
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for like a very kind of for for Star Wars fans who read comics,
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obviously, right. So it's pretty, pretty
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interesting. But she's she's awesome.
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She's super fun. When did you get introduced to
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her, Jenna? Well, I didn't know there was an
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audio drama, so now I'm really excited about that.
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But actually this this year I I started writing in the comic
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sector in like January, so I like.
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Really, Dove? Into like to Star Wars, cuz it's
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my favorite, my favorite franchise.
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And I was reading all the Darth Vader runs and I had read like
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Charles Soule and Greg Pack. And then I got to Gillen.
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I kind of went in like a weird reverse order cuz those are like
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not the orders you you're supposed to go in.
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And I came across there when I was reading the Gillen run.
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And then I'm like, OK, hold on. I gotta, I gotta find out more
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about her cuz she's, she's like really really chaotic and I love
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it. Yeah, I was really like, so when
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I first heard about her, it was just like, oh, she's the the
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most basic introduction to like someone can talk about her is
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probably like evil Indiana Jones, right?
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But she's not really evil. And she's like not quite.
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It's also weird because it's like Harrison Ford is also Han
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Solo, but also India, just so anyway, that gets confusing
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Anyway, So yeah, it's like evil Indiana Jones is like the first
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I heard about her, but she's she's way more, you know, she's
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she's a little bit more dynamic than that, I think.
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But then I went to read all the, you know, the entire, all the
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runs of, you know, everything she's ever been in.
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And it's like, dude, some of the stuff she does is like, so it's
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not evil because they they like from a character standpoint,
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just like not justified. So I'm like, making excuses on
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her behalf, no? I I would too.
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I agree. I'm, I would.
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I'm an apologist. I'm an AFRA apologist.
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That's OK, Yeah. I was like, she, she's trying.
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It's just like she just doing it isn't working out.
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So yeah, she's just, I, I love writing characters like that.
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It's just, and reading characters like that, you know,
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it's just like, she's just so, she's so human, you know?
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And the writing really, really reflects that, I think, which is
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cool. And were you, like, really
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familiar with her before you started taking on the series?
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I read, I knew she should. I read when she showed up and
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she debuted Invader. And then I had 'cause I kind of
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had talked to Sarah, Sarah who did the audio drama.
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So I saw when she was talking about working on it and she
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posted it, I was like, oh, OK, so, you know, Sarah's working on
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Afra. So I, I listened to that.
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And then I read a little bit of the Gillen run and then I kind
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of like took out like, you know, as is in comics, you kind of
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like, there's just so much to consume.
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Took a big break. And then when I got the job, I
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was like, OK, let me like go back and really get into it and
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read Alyssa's run, which is super fun and like a really cool
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differentiation in tone right from from previously what had
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what had come before. So yeah, they did the, the whole
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thing is really, really, it's just crazy to see how much that
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has been written in Afra's world, you know, like at this
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point. So yeah, that's about how I
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think she'll come back. I think that's, that's about,
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that's kind of like my 2 experiences, like was similar to
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the when she first came out and then kind of like came back to
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her after. It's like, OK, you, you know,
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you have the chance to, to work, to play in the sandbox.
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Right. Well, Ray has is a big fan of
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morally ambiguous characters. Ray.
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Ray. I I'm more.
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Of like about the. Books.
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So I'm a big Thrawn fan. OK, Yeah.
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I don't know, like morally ambiguous, Like I think he's
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straight up knows what he's doing.
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It it's morally ambiguous, I I will give you homework about.
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Oh my God I love it. Star Wars homework.
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Truly. But I know that you mentioned
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that Star Wars wasn't like something that you were like
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super into before Afra. Like, would you say that she was
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kind of your gateway character into the Star Wars universe?
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Well, so I think, you know, there's people who like really
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grew up with Star Wars. I, I, so I'm the only child of a
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single mom who is an immigrant. So like, it didn't have someone
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like introducing me to Star Wars as a little kid and like, so I
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kind of came to it a little later, I think.
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And, you know, I watched the movies and like, the movies are
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like archetypal, you know, like they're they're literally like
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the foundation for like everything after.
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So it's like you can't even to say they're like, you know,
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important or good is like, duh. But yeah.
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So I I kind of came to it all late and then I did.
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I was a Star Wars fan before Afra, but not to the, I would
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say in, in terms of my knowledge of everything, especially in the
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like kind of, you know, in the Legends timeline now and then,
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like in the books and stuff like that.
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I am way more familiar with that now after having worked on Afra
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before. It was like a little bit more of
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the mainstream understanding. But yeah, like, I mean, Thrawn,
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everyone look, I mean, so I was like, I've asked about like,
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well, I'm trying to think of what I can talk about here.
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Just like just Thrawn is very, very popular for a good reason
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and like easily discussed. So it's like, yeah, it's
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awesome. That's so cool that you're into
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Thrawn. You're not.
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I mean, you're not alone, obviously, but.
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I I enjoy him as a good villain, but Ray is Ray Ray he is the.
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Throne apologist among us. I'm in the trenches.
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OK, listen, we all have our favorite war criminals.
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Mine just happens to be blue. Hey, man, sometimes when war
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criminals can do it kind of fabulously, it's like, well,
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like I when I first watched Star Wars, I was obsessed with
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Vader's, like, egg office. Do.
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You know what I mean? I was like, I was like this.
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Looks this is like. So stylish and so cool and so
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you know. If Anakin is is anything, he is
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all about the dramatics and the flair, so he would really have
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that office. That was very chic and it's.
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Like his pod, I'm like, what is he even doing in there?
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I don't even. It's like so little.
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I don't. Yeah.
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So I'm like, who knows what's happening in there?
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But yeah, I, you know, I get it. I, I think and villains are
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sometimes like, you know, sometimes you just kind of, I
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don't know. I get it.
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You don't have to. You don't have to apologize for
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throwing with me. Oh, I, I, he's, he's a great
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character. It's exciting to see him now
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being brought into the current Canon.
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And that's kind of I'm, I'm hoping that that happens with
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Afra. Like I I hope that she's someone
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I think should be brought over into the live action or animated
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genre because she's just so such a rich character that people
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would love her. I, you know, I see that
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conversations come up so often and who knows?
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I don't know, you know, it's like, I think it's like if
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you're 'cause it's like with the, the, the fans that love her
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and know her, like there's so much expectation wrapped up in
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that. So then you would like really
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want to do it, right, You know what I mean?
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But it's also like, man, they did, you know, Rosario Dawson
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brought Ahsoka to light, you know what I mean?
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Like this, these are all these things and you know, from
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animated to live action and like all these other things.
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So who knows? You know, it would be pretty, it
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would pretty be pretty dope. I think it would be really like
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awesome because for me personally Afra like just reads
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as an Asian coded person, so being able to see that in Star
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Wars more would be fantastic. Yeah, I mean, I think that's
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definitely, that's like a big draw.
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I think in terms of like, you know, it's, it's kind of cool
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'cause it's like in the world of Star Wars, they don't present
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things that, you know, like as like, like her being queer is
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not like a, A, a thing, right? Like it is in our walls,
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unfortunately. But in the same way like her
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being, you know, presenting as East Asian isn't necessarily a
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thing. But like in, in terms of the
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reality of how we interpret things, it's like huge, you
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know, it's like extremely cool. And to have a character that
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isn't like for me, what's really refreshing about it is she's she
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to me is like East Asian. And then also is not having to
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deal with all the stuff we constantly talk about in the
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real world, right? East Asian issues, like she's
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not constantly dealing with honor.
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So like it's that's great. She has no honor.
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She has no honor. Yeah, it's more like the lack of
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honor and like that's, that's really refreshing, you know, to
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not have to come like be free of that stuff.
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It's almost like kind of idealistic, you know what I
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mean, to be able to brighten that space, right.
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Yeah. And so totally.
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I mean, that's a, that's a big part of it for me to be able to
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write her, you know? And what's super cool about
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this, this your run, this chaos agent run is that you
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immediately like off the off the bat you're including, you have
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Luke Skywalker. So you're like you're diving in
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head 1st. And now Han Solo is going to be
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in the next in the next issue, which I think is amazing because
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like you said, she's kind of like space Indiana Jones, but
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like without a conscience. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So kind of like when I was brought on to do the book, the
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this team up thing was like the team up format was really
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presented to me as like, OK, this thing that we want to try
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and do. And so that's kind of like the
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recurring thing. And I, you know, there's kind of
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like an argument against it sometimes because it's like you
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want Afra has her own corner of the universe, the Galaxy that is
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like so expansive already, which I really love.
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But there's also something super fun and also like, kind of
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beneficial in like, bringing people into Afra by having her
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team up. So I know people loved, you
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know, her previous adventures with Luke's, like screaming
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Citadel and stuff like that. And in Alyssa's run, they did
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like A2 parter with the Oh my God, the name's escaping me, but
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it was the screaming. Just the screw is like the the
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temple. Anyway, I'm forgetting the name,
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but it was like, can't do the bell and stuff like that.
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Anyway, it was a great 2:00-ish two parter.
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But the yeah, so like having riding Luke right off the bat is
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really wild. And their dynamic is so fun.
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Like it's like, it's like a dog and a cat, you know what I mean?
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And then so like that's always like really, really, it's cool.
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And I was able and also writing in this time period, which we
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haven't talked about as much, which is like, you know, post
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Jakku and like we haven't really explored this time frame in the
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Galaxy yet. And that was super fun because
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it's like, OK, Luke is doing all that stuff.
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Like theaters died and like Luke is coming off of that.
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Afra is finally free of that. And there's like this big time
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jump and like we, I really wanted to think about everything
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that could have happened to Aphra between the end of
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Alyssa's run and, and where we are now.
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And, you know, given the chance, I'd love to like really get into
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it more. So we'll see if I'm able to.
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But yeah, the IT it writing work is super fun.
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Riding Han was actually with Afra was surprisingly
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challenging because that's like if Luke and Afra are cat and a
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dog, like Han and Afra like cat and a cat, like they can't like
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they're kind of like both kind of do you know what I mean?
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They're both kind of like sassy, you know, bounty hunter smuggler
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types that are like, they're just like shades.
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Like they're both like not lawful, they're both like, you
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know, I mean, they're most like chaotic, but they're like on
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good and bad sides, you know. So it was like that was I was
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like that took me a second to kind of hone in on that more.
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But the third issue is really, really fun.
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I think hopefully, and the villain in that is a new
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character, which I had a lot of fun kind of spinning up with the
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with the artist with Gabriel. So that that that is super cool.
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So. So it's not Thrawn?
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It is. It is not.
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I'm so sorry, Ray. It is unfortunately not Thrawn.
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OK, next time. Next time.
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Dude, if I ever if if if Thrawn shows up in AFRA, this podcast
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will be the first thing I do talk about.
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Please, please. I think it could work.
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I think it could work, yeah. Because it's it's the.
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It's the New Republic and he's still, I mean, he well, timeline
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wise, he is back during the New Republic timeline.
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It could work. We could make it work.
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I'm sure there's some Lucas saw magic we could all weave to.
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I see the gear is in in rays, in rays of brains turning.
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I see it. They see it.
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Reference the books. It's yeah, Dave Filoni kind of
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messed up the timeline. It's fine.
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There's nothing that has been done that can't be reworked or
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figured out. Right Con, it's fine.
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It'll, it'll be fine. Are there other villains that
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you particularly love? Right.
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Or either of you. I I I love Thron and I love
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Tarkin. I'm an imperial girl, so.
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Clearly. Hey man, I think we have better
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outfits. Facts.
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Facts. I, I mean, I, I love Thrawn as a
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character like I'm, I don't know his story like from legends and
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stuff like Ray does. I, I'm a big fan of Star Wars
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Rebels, so that's where I get my Thrawn from and he's just such a
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good antagonist for them. But I'm, I'm definitely more of
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a, the, the hero girl. I love my, I love Ahsoka, I love
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the rebels. You know, that's I love, of
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course, I think one of the best things that Star Wars has done,
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I think one of the best things Star Wars has done recently has
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been and or I don't know if you if you've watched it, but hands
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down I think it was. It's like the best thing this
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year. It's like the best thing about
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this year. It I was sitting watching like
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especially the the three episodes where it's the Gorman
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massacre and it's like that happens.
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And I, I don't know, there was those 3 episodes in Monmouth of
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the speech. It was like I was like an in
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heaven like this. Is all good.
00:21:34
Yeah, I, I think indoor is, yeah.
00:21:41
I think, I mean, you know, the shows, I think, you know,
00:21:45
everyone's a tunnel to the I I think the shows have been really
00:21:48
hit or miss, right, in terms of the like the larger scope of
00:21:50
everything that's come out. I think the first season and a
00:21:54
half of Mandalorian incredible, like just like their their
00:21:59
originality of it was really, really cool and seeing like
00:22:02
pieces of things from other threads coming in was really,
00:22:05
really great. And or though, Oh my God,
00:22:09
freaking I was, I was obsessed and I'm like two seasons is all
00:22:14
we're getting. But I'm like, and on a high
00:22:17
note, all the BTS has been incredible.
00:22:19
Like I follow Michael Wilkinson, I think is his name.
00:22:22
He's the costume designer. I mean, it's just like it's just
00:22:28
like sumptuous, you know, It's just like the storytelling is
00:22:31
incredible and everything, all the design of it is incredible.
00:22:34
It's just man, it's is I honestly one of my favorite
00:22:37
shows like in recent memory. It's I definitely agree, yeah.
00:22:44
I think like my thing with Star Wars in the most recent
00:22:47
properties that come out for TV is that we're not focused on the
00:22:52
Jedi. And that's what makes it so much
00:22:54
more interesting is that we're leaning into that world
00:22:57
building. And I think like that's what I
00:22:59
love to hear about your Afra run, is that we're delving into
00:23:03
what the Galaxy looks like after the fall of the Empire.
00:23:08
And that's why I loved the early season of Mandarin, because we
00:23:14
were going into that concept. Totally.
00:23:18
And like, I kind of I think what's cool about the the the
00:23:23
series I'm able to write is that like I even though we're having
00:23:30
her paired up with like kind of these legacy characters that are
00:23:33
super familiar at this point, I was like, well, one, I really
00:23:38
kind of want to make this new time period a big factor, right?
00:23:42
Then there's like a lot of things that haven't happened and
00:23:44
new things are our characters are in new places.
00:23:47
And then I also wanted to introduce plate like locations
00:23:50
we hadn't seen in a long time in like ever, either new locations
00:23:54
or locations we hadn't seen before.
00:23:55
So the city in the second second issue, Oh my God, the name's
00:24:01
escaping me right now. So the financial city, I was
00:24:03
like, my brain is a little fried, but that's a location
00:24:07
from the Marvel Comics in the 70s.
00:24:11
And so, you know, like being able to do stuff like that is
00:24:15
really, really cool. And then also I wanted to
00:24:17
introduce new characters as much as possible as well to to kind
00:24:20
of like make get the Galaxy still seem expansive, right.
00:24:26
And I think, yeah. And or does that in incredibly
00:24:29
in also this like tiny window, right?
00:24:32
Like literally we're in the Super, super specific time frame
00:24:35
of the the timeline. But yeah, I thought it was, it
00:24:39
was such a such a cool show and so much, I mean, so relevant to
00:24:46
so much of what feels like we're dealing with today, you know, in
00:24:49
the real world. But also, yeah, it's just just
00:24:53
like a really, really lovely show.
00:24:54
And I think it's so cool that they gave Tony Gilroy so much
00:25:02
freedom. You know, just like in all the
00:25:04
interviews, he's talking about how much leeway he got.
00:25:07
I think he was told not to use F bombs so much.
00:25:12
But beyond that, they're like, yeah, you know, so that's that's
00:25:16
so cool. I mean, like anytime anyone gets
00:25:18
to do that with something as huge as Star Wars and then for
00:25:22
to the show to be actually so freaking good is like incredibly
00:25:27
exciting. My, my editors at comic book,
00:25:32
they had or one of them, he had watched the whole season already
00:25:35
before it aired. And I was so mad.
00:25:38
Like I was not mad. I was jealous.
00:25:39
And then when the, the three, those three big ones towards the
00:25:44
end with the, you know, the Gorman massacre and Monmouth,
00:25:45
the speech when those came out, I messaged him and I was like,
00:25:48
how did you keep this quiet? Oh my God these were the best
00:25:50
episodes I've ever seen in Star Wars.
00:25:53
Like. Yeah.
00:25:56
It was, yeah, crazy. It was especially taking a
00:26:02
character like Mon Mothma, who you know is ultimately going to
00:26:05
be fine, you know, where she turns out, like what happens to
00:26:09
her and still being scared watching it.
00:26:11
Like, Oh my God, like, is she gonna be able to get off of of
00:26:15
Khorasan? Like, that's some incredible
00:26:18
storytelling. Well, even and or himself too.
00:26:21
Like you literally Yep. Like you literally know what
00:26:24
happens. And it's like, it's it's really,
00:26:28
I actually think again, the I think he's talked, Tony Gilroy
00:26:30
talked about it being really helpful that you actually know
00:26:34
what happens to this character being a framework for how to
00:26:37
write how he wrote the show or how he put the show together.
00:26:42
But it is like in the scene when he's like escorting Mon Mothma
00:26:46
out, it's like, it's super tense, you know, and you're just
00:26:51
like, Oh my God, you know, it's just and, and, and again, I
00:26:55
think there's a it's a testament to how all the new characters
00:26:58
they also created where you're constantly worried about.
00:27:03
I mean, you, you must know most of them are not going to make it
00:27:06
right, like freaking Stalin Skarsgard, right?
00:27:08
Like you just, you just kind of like get the sense.
00:27:10
And then it's but then yeah, you're just devastated when you
00:27:15
know, he he's he goes and it's just pretty brutal show.
00:27:22
Very much. Are you with AFRA?
00:27:27
I mean, I don't know how much you can tell us since obviously
00:27:30
like it's not all out yet, but are there other team UPS we can
00:27:34
expect down the road? So yeah, the issue 4 is I can
00:27:40
say, because I think the the covers out everything like that,
00:27:43
but the four is Chewbacca, which was I actually think issue 4 was
00:27:50
the most fun to write Chewbacca. And then because he's also on
00:27:54
the cover, I can say Chris Anton shows up.
00:27:57
So it's just like Wookie Palooza an issue for that's like in a
00:28:03
new location with new, new, new things going on.
00:28:07
And that that was so fun. The art and it was just done by
00:28:12
Karen Mccone. I hope I'm saying his name,
00:28:14
right. The art is incredible in that
00:28:17
one. I just like Karen knocked it out
00:28:19
of the park. It's so fantastic.
00:28:22
And the last issue, not last issue I'm talking about Issue 5.
00:28:28
I can't really say right now. I don't think we'll wait until
00:28:34
it comes out, but that actually I'll say issue 5 features a new
00:28:37
character very prominently. That's.
00:28:42
Exciting. I always love to see the Star
00:28:45
Wars Galaxy growing with these new characters that who knows
00:28:48
where what's going to happen. They could turn off that this is
00:28:51
a new, you know, Afra like character that spins off into
00:28:54
its own, takes on its life of its own.
00:28:56
Yeah, and that's happened quite a bit with Afra too, I think,
00:28:58
which is cool. Yeah, it's a the character is
00:29:03
on, the cover's been released, I think.
00:29:05
So you can see the cover, but you won't know who she is until
00:29:11
the end of issue 4. So we'll say that.
00:29:17
Super exciting just to leave it on a little, a little bit of a
00:29:21
hook. But yeah, that's, that's, that's
00:29:25
kind of that's where we are at that I can say now.
00:29:31
OK, right. Have we?
00:29:33
Have we convinced you now? Have we sold you?
00:29:35
On I mean, I was already convinced there's just so much
00:29:40
to consume with Star Wars where it's just like, where do I
00:29:44
start? So what I'm hearing is I just
00:29:47
need to start from the beginning binge so I can catch up.
00:29:52
Do you do you read the comics right mostly or is it mostly
00:29:55
like the the like long form novels and stuff?
00:29:59
So I usually try to stick with the long form novels just
00:30:03
because I like the world building and being able to like
00:30:06
collect all the information in little Lord tidbits, again like
00:30:11
comics have always been very daunting to me.
00:30:14
I. Know, I, I think that's really
00:30:16
tough about like how Western comics are formatted because
00:30:19
it's always like, OK, when should I start?
00:30:22
It's like in the middle of like Vader #16 or something.
00:30:26
I think it's like whenever it shows up.
00:30:28
So it's like, yeah, it can be. I totally get that.
00:30:31
That's like the appeal of manga, right?
00:30:32
Because it's like, oh, you want to read the series?
00:30:34
Just pick up #1 And then yeah. And.
00:30:37
I think like that's kind of like my thought process with Star
00:30:43
Wars where it's like I have to pick a character to focus on so
00:30:46
I can just consume all of their like stuff.
00:30:50
So it's like I consumed all of Thrawn and then I moved over to
00:30:54
Target and now I'm like moving on to Padme.
00:30:58
And now I guess I'll have to get into Afra while I'm going
00:31:02
through Vader. Yeah, yes, this is what Jenna
00:31:08
saying, yes. Just yes, 20, 2015, 2015 Gillen,
00:31:12
that's when she's introduced, like you said, and then like
00:31:14
somewhere in the middle of the run too.
00:31:18
I know that's why I'm always like, it's hard to like, you
00:31:22
know, like I have friends who want to, who aren't as like avid
00:31:25
comic readers as I am and then want to support, you know, and
00:31:28
like you have to explain to them.
00:31:30
And it's like, so I totally get it.
00:31:32
But she is so readable and so fun.
00:31:37
And again, like some of the stuff there's like a prison
00:31:41
break in the Gillen run that like in the 2016 run that is
00:31:44
like so twisty and turny, but like, so readable and like,
00:31:51
yeah, I think if you like, vaguely amoral or in your mind
00:31:57
vaguely immoral, but maybe immoral characters, she's just
00:32:03
so up up your alley, I think. So she's she's like, she's just
00:32:08
like a real. I love a character that keeps
00:32:11
messing up. But like, you still love her.
00:32:12
You know, It's weird. It's weird that she works.
00:32:14
So would you say that, Jenna? I I completely agree.
00:32:18
And especially because she doesn't really have a side.
00:32:22
She like helps out Vader and then she winds up accidentally
00:32:25
with the rebellion and she's like, well, I guess I'll help
00:32:27
you guys out. Like it's all it's like she
00:32:30
accidentally falls into these situations and it just totally
00:32:35
works. Yeah, she's just like highly
00:32:38
individualistic, almost like she's like she reacts to the,
00:32:42
the, the person in front of her, you know, and it's like their
00:32:47
ideology isn't as like, which is kind of, again, refreshing in
00:32:51
today's day and age. Like they're someone's ideology
00:32:53
isn't like the most defining thing about them.
00:32:55
Like she likes Magna because Magna is like hot, you know, you
00:32:59
know, and like, or you know, like that's how she responds to
00:33:02
her in the beginning. Like she's like, I'm attracted
00:33:04
to you. And then like they get into this
00:33:06
whole by play right, that it keeps the it's like one of the
00:33:09
coolest romances. So also she does some really
00:33:13
messed up stuff to Magna as well, which is crazy.
00:33:18
So yeah, it's just like it's, it's very, very.
00:33:21
She's a really interesting character.
00:33:24
Really, she never goes far too far.
00:33:27
It's never, she never does something that it makes her
00:33:31
irredeemable, even though, like, maybe she might accidentally
00:33:36
ruin someone's life. You're still like, OK, well, I,
00:33:38
I kind of get how this happened, you know?
00:33:41
Yeah, it's like it. She's like, she's just like,
00:33:46
first of all, like impossible to kill.
00:33:47
She's like this incredible survivalist.
00:33:51
It's weird. She's like, so good at like,
00:33:53
living and taking like coming up with these, like, just like Plan
00:33:58
Z, you know, that enables her to get away.
00:34:01
But that what she has to do, which is like, yeah, she's
00:34:04
trying to survive in this really, really dangerous world.
00:34:07
What she does to do that sometimes is like what makes it
00:34:10
really, really complicated. And it's very Gray and immoral,
00:34:14
amoral. I think Jenna and I might be
00:34:17
talking about the same thing, but maybe not.
00:34:19
I don't know base anyway. But yeah, like, I'm I'm thinking
00:34:25
about one particular thing. And she does in the prison
00:34:27
breaks, in the prison break kind of chunk.
00:34:34
So there's a lot of a lot of questionable things.
00:34:38
Yeah, but if you ever get into her more, we'll be here to talk
00:34:42
to you about it. I I'm sure like I'll probably
00:34:45
like be in like both of y'alls like DM and just like hey yo,
00:34:49
why didn't you warn me about this?
00:34:54
You know, one of my one of my favorite things, I don't know if
00:34:57
this is something you know that you include, but I love her two
00:35:01
droids that just are like murderous versions of R2 and
00:35:04
C3PO like those are. Some.
00:35:07
Of my favorite side characters. Yeah, 000 and BT are like, like
00:35:17
they're almost especially 000000 is like her murder C3PO.
00:35:23
He's like, he's like Hannibal. He's like Hannibal Lecter in
00:35:27
like, you know, and like a yeah, he's like Hannibal Lecter
00:35:31
because he's like kind of weirdly polite about like how he
00:35:33
wants to just like, you know, set people on fire.
00:35:37
It's it's it's really weird. But he's so much fun.
00:35:42
I love, I love, love, love 000, which is like probably I guess
00:35:46
is how you feel about throng. There's nothing redeemable about
00:35:49
000 and if you ever get the chance, actually one of my
00:35:54
favorite AFRA things is this little like event.
00:35:59
It's it's when she actually runs into Han.
00:36:02
And I don't know, it's definitely the first time I
00:36:04
think she runs into Han, but maybe not like maybe she'd run
00:36:07
into Leia before. But it's called Vader down.
00:36:09
Jenna, did you read Vader down? Yeah, it's really good.
00:36:14
It's it's like kind of the culmination of a few like
00:36:17
storylines into this one big event.
00:36:19
But it's it's so good. Like she has this interaction.
00:36:23
It's my favorite interaction between her and Han.
00:36:27
Maybe I'll say before I got the chance to write them, but yeah,
00:36:32
it's just it's it's it's really, really fun.
00:36:35
And basically I'll spoil one thing, which is like 000
00:36:40
masquerades as C3PO. And it's like literally I, I
00:36:46
mean, you can imagine how chaotic that would because it's
00:36:48
like literally like C, you know, C3PO incredibly charming, just a
00:36:53
real everyone, everyone loves to beat up on C3PO.
00:36:57
And then it's like, OK, but now imagine everyone like ragging on
00:37:00
C3PO but he's like literally, you know, a serial killer.
00:37:07
He's like, can we kill them now, Mistress?
00:37:09
And she's like, no. Yeah, she's like, can I please,
00:37:12
like, you know, cut his limbs off and you're like, Oh my God.
00:37:15
And you're like, dude, you're scary.
00:37:22
Yeah. I love I I that was one of the
00:37:24
big draws for me. I'm so glad you brought them up,
00:37:26
Jenna, because, like, that's a huge part of the cell is her two
00:37:30
droids. Yeah.
00:37:33
She comes up with all kinds of stuff like that.
00:37:34
She does this whole thing with a Tuka cat at one point anyway.
00:37:39
She's something she really, there's so many elements that
00:37:44
can work with her. It's so fun.
00:37:47
Yeah, yeah, she's she's, she's a real, she's a real hoot.
00:37:51
And and going back and reading the whole range of misadventures
00:37:57
she got it, she gets into has been like, it's it's really
00:38:00
cool. And it makes sense to me why she
00:38:02
got why she's so popular and why people love her so much.
00:38:08
All that. I'm hearing is like, I love that
00:38:11
she's bringing like this different energy to the Star
00:38:14
Wars universe because we're so used to seeing this black and
00:38:17
white energy throughout where it's like either you're bad or
00:38:22
you're good. And like you said, it's like you
00:38:24
get to see her mess up and be a bad person, but also a good
00:38:28
person, which makes it very compelling because it's like you
00:38:32
don't get to see real people in Star Wars, really.
00:38:37
Totally in it, yeah. I mean, I think for for, I mean,
00:38:43
like Star Wars is almost like the archetypal good versus bad
00:38:46
in our minds at this point, right?
00:38:48
And it's like, like, I think like everybody who watches Star
00:38:52
Wars now, like the original trilogy is like, oh, I, I you
00:38:55
know, whatever side you're on, they probably identify with the
00:38:57
rebels and like the the other side is the Empire, right?
00:39:01
No matter what. But it's like the truth of it
00:39:05
all is like, and I think Andorra is does the same thing, right?
00:39:09
It's like what we're talking about where it's like the rebels
00:39:12
end up having to do like in in spycraft, you have to do some
00:39:15
awful shit, right? So like, it's really, I think
00:39:20
that when you know, makes sense, Star Wars has gotten to this
00:39:24
point where it's like when we let people explore, that almost
00:39:27
makes it feel a little bit more relatable, weirdly, which is
00:39:31
really cool. So, yeah, I think I think, you
00:39:36
know, and and I also think when we when we go back, we like to
00:39:39
think that like, oh, you know, you know, Luke is so just
00:39:43
plainly good and stuff. But I think, you know, the more
00:39:46
people have written him and and people have written him a lot at
00:39:49
this point, he's given the room to have shades of that too, you
00:39:53
know, and Vader, of course, like the all time great, you know,
00:39:56
all time greatest villain has is like so indicative that that
00:40:00
whole turn is from Anakin and everything so.
00:40:05
Yeah, that's why I really like how you present Luke even in the
00:40:09
first, the first issue of your series, because he comes in and
00:40:12
he's Luke Skywalker. I mean, he's like the only Jedi.
00:40:16
Everyone loves him. He's he's respected and
00:40:18
everything. And he has faith in, in Afra.
00:40:20
He's like, I've worked with her before and yeah, you know,
00:40:23
she's, she's definitely a little unorthodox, but he has hit
00:40:30
someone so pure, if you will, has faith in what she can do and
00:40:34
her skills. And I think that's pretty cool
00:40:35
to see. Yeah, and that's sometimes
00:40:41
that's bit him in the bud before, which is also kind of
00:40:45
fun. But in the first issues, like
00:40:49
one thing, I really, you know, it's a real brief moment, but
00:40:53
it's like kind of them them when they're flying to the before
00:40:58
they arrive at the destination for their mission, it's like
00:41:00
they have this moment where they recap like everything they went
00:41:04
through with the end of the war, if you will.
00:41:08
And like, you know, it cost them both something.
00:41:12
And it's also like Vader's death is very complicated for both of
00:41:16
them. You know what I mean?
00:41:18
And I there's like a moment I wanted to write for future issue
00:41:25
that I just don't know if I'll be able to get it in.
00:41:28
But like, I think Afra would have a very, very complex
00:41:35
reaction to Vader's death that, you know, hopefully at one point
00:41:39
we were able to, to get into a little bit more.
00:41:42
But yeah, that stuff is like, all that stuff is like super.
00:41:47
I don't know. It's like not good or bad, but
00:41:48
it's like the meat of it, right? These aren't like good or bad
00:41:51
flat characters. And that's what's so fun about
00:41:55
it. Yeah, I think that I love that
00:42:01
you're wanting to explore like this more emotional depth
00:42:04
because I think like with a character like Afra, like with
00:42:07
the chaotic nature, it's very easy to kind of fall into like
00:42:11
the like comedic way of presenting things or the chaos
00:42:16
and just kind of like having everything be like really like
00:42:19
spur of the moment and all of that.
00:42:22
So like hearing that like you want to explore this like more
00:42:24
human element to her where she like actually has like an
00:42:28
emotional reaction to Vader and what that would mean to her is
00:42:32
really interesting. I honestly would really love to
00:42:34
like see you be able to explore that.
00:42:37
Yeah, I hope so too. Like I again, I think the the
00:42:42
stories I really respond to trying do both, right.
00:42:46
Like Afra is so accessible because she's so funny and fun
00:42:51
to read, right. But but I think what establishes
00:42:55
the connection to her and to the other characters in her books,
00:43:00
it's like when you have that kind of core character moment,
00:43:06
right? Like this is like something that
00:43:07
you want to know how they feel about these other these other
00:43:10
aspects of the Galaxy at large. So, yeah, I mean, there's
00:43:15
there's, there's I, you know, there's so much of Aphra's past
00:43:21
that I would love to get into and want to get into.
00:43:24
And I know it's like, I know a lot of people want to know what
00:43:28
happened to to her girlfriends. And I have a thought on that.
00:43:31
But there is an answer to that. But we'll see if we can, you
00:43:37
know, what we're going to, we'll see what we can do.
00:43:41
And so, yeah, it's just, it's, these are all the things that
00:43:46
like make them more alive, you know what I mean?
00:43:51
So yeah, that that, that it's always trying to do both.
00:43:54
And like with every issue, I want to try and give like the
00:44:00
like, I wanted to feel like a really substantial story with
00:44:02
each issue, you know what I mean?
00:44:03
I don't want to just give you like, oh, this feels like almost
00:44:06
like a prologue to what eventually will be a bigger
00:44:09
story. It's like, no, every issue
00:44:11
should feel like a lot, you know?
00:44:12
I want to try and give everyone a lot with everything and the
00:44:16
pages that I do have so. Yeah, they're very, it's very
00:44:20
meaty. It's yeah.
00:44:22
Every issue so far has been very, you know, even if it's a
00:44:25
self-contained story, it's it's going to something bigger.
00:44:28
And they're each very, I think important to the overall story
00:44:32
you're eventually weaving, which I, I'm excited to see where it
00:44:36
goes. Oh, thanks.
00:44:38
That's that's the goal. You know, that's like the I, I,
00:44:42
you know, I think and you can't take for granted, especially,
00:44:46
you know, like with, you know, I think every creative industry is
00:44:49
taking a is, is is, is all is hard right now, right?
00:44:53
Like comics, movies, TV, everything's kind of like taking
00:44:56
a hit right now. So like when you do get the
00:44:58
chance to create something, it's like, I want to really give it.
00:45:04
Nothing is promised, you know, so you want to give it as much
00:45:06
as you got when you, when you, when you have the, the pages,
00:45:09
you do. So yeah, that's that's, I'm glad
00:45:12
that it reads that way, Jenna. So yeah, that's the goal with
00:45:16
every issue We're hopefully going to do, you know, they're
00:45:18
self-contained, but they're leading somewhere and hopefully
00:45:21
get to tell as much of it as we can.
00:45:24
Right. I mean, I've been told, I don't
00:45:26
know if this is like true in your case, but like Marvel
00:45:30
Comics, they tend to only green light like 10 issues.
00:45:34
They'll say, yes, you can write this story, but it's like a 10
00:45:37
issue story. So that's a lot to kind of cram
00:45:40
into. A full arc.
00:45:45
I think that's been the so that's kind of like almost from
00:45:51
what I've seen, kind of like the, the, the, the standing or
00:45:56
for a lot of things right now, just like, OK, we'll see how it
00:45:59
does with sales. Like whenever in other
00:46:02
interviews people ask me like, oh, is this a mini series?
00:46:04
Is this, you know, what is what is it an ongoing?
00:46:06
Like all I can really see right now is like, it's so dependent
00:46:09
on sales, which is like it's, it's just a, it's just a tough
00:46:13
world out there right now. But you know, when you are given
00:46:17
a number for how many you can do, then it's like, OK, how do
00:46:20
we structure this to like make the most of what we have, you
00:46:23
know what I mean? And to like try and have it be
00:46:25
impact no matter if like if we get to keep it going, if it, if
00:46:28
it gets, if it gets cut or, you know, over it just stands at the
00:46:33
number they originally gave you. So we're going to, you know,
00:46:36
we're just like this is it's Canon Afra it it it is
00:46:41
happening. And so like you want to make
00:46:43
sure it it has an impact in terms of the largest story in
00:46:47
her in her like overall, I don't know, overall impact, you know,
00:46:54
I don't know if that makes sense.
00:46:58
Yeah. Absolutely.
00:47:02
Is it? Oh, go ahead.
00:47:04
No, no, no, I will. Say she's on the psych head.
00:47:10
No, no, I was just gonna ask if you were gonna cuz you had a
00:47:12
question earlier. So I was like oh, what was the
00:47:15
question? But go ahead.
00:47:18
No, I was just gonna gonna ask if your AFRA is at all running
00:47:24
parallel to the current Star Wars flagship comic that is out
00:47:29
now with Alex Segura because it feels like it's taking place at
00:47:32
the same time and there's similar themes with like the
00:47:36
artifacts, the Force artifacts. So, you know, I, I was kind of
00:47:43
given the broad strokes of what Alex was doing before I started
00:47:47
writing where we are with Chaos Agent.
00:47:51
But beyond that, we aren't doing too much like specific, like
00:47:56
interweaving between the two. Like in terms of like, oh, they
00:47:59
don't have to, they don't have to tie into each other.
00:48:02
So I think a lot of like kind of what's happening is like, OK,
00:48:05
we're we're making sure we're cohesive with the character and
00:48:08
with like the larger things that are happening in the world, but
00:48:11
so that they're not at conflict with each other.
00:48:14
But a lot of other kind of similarities I think are like
00:48:18
kind of happy accidents at this point, which is really cool.
00:48:23
Yeah. And it's like cool that, you
00:48:24
know, like it's, it's a maxi series.
00:48:27
It's like, it's been pretty cool to see that develop.
00:48:30
And yeah, I read when Afra shows up in, in, in that, in that
00:48:34
storyline and stuff like that. So yeah, we're like kind of like
00:48:37
loosely, very loosely connected. But like a lot of the overlaps I
00:48:42
think are not quite intentional, but like welcome if that makes
00:48:45
sense. Right.
00:48:49
I know Segura is like bringing in some races that are legends
00:48:54
and I'm going to have to go to Ray for that because I was like,
00:48:57
I just, I've never seen this race before.
00:48:59
I'm going to Google it. And then it's like, Oh yeah, in
00:49:01
like 1983, sorry, I'm back. It's like, Oh yeah, like in
00:49:07
1983, these were like a really big part of the Canon.
00:49:10
And I'm like, Ray is my legends, is my is my is my Legends
00:49:15
encyclopedia. Yeah, honestly, I found, you
00:49:22
know, what I will say is like I found my editors at Marvel and
00:49:25
Lucasfilm to like be pretty down for that kind of stuff.
00:49:29
So it's like, you know, there's certain, certain things that,
00:49:32
you know, are, are have to be adjusted or have to be make sure
00:49:37
they work in line with everything else.
00:49:39
But a lot of stuff has been like, yeah, let's try it.
00:49:43
Well, yeah, let's go. You know, like it's been very,
00:49:46
it's been way more open than I necessarily was expecting.
00:49:49
And like, not as restrictive as like, what I think a lot of
00:49:52
people would think when they're like, oh, you're going to get to
00:49:55
write in a Star Wars property, you know?
00:49:59
Right now I want to. I want to sorry, I'm I'm I've
00:50:04
been doing it and you're I've been an interviewer for like 4
00:50:06
years. So I'm so I'm so not used to
00:50:08
just like regular conversation, but throwing this around the
00:50:14
room for you cherish and even Ray, like if you guys could
00:50:18
write any Star Wars character, like your favorite, any Star
00:50:22
Wars character, who would you choose?
00:50:26
Well, then you can't say Thrawn, Ray.
00:50:27
You gotta pick someone different.
00:50:29
It's not Thrawn. Okay, okay, take.
00:50:31
These on art he does a good job, I don't need to do his work for
00:50:34
him and. He doesn't really have I.
00:50:39
Mean this is like, well, OK Ray, you go first.
00:50:44
If I got to write a Star Wars character, I think I would pick
00:50:48
Karen Farrow, which is actually a member of Throne's crew.
00:50:55
She's showcased in his comics. She is a Imperial Navy like
00:51:06
member and he helps her like get promoted within the Navy.
00:51:10
So I think like it would be really interesting to like
00:51:12
explore like her time within the Empire and like being a woman in
00:51:18
the Empire. So that's that's what I'd like
00:51:21
to write. I actually have a really similar
00:51:24
response. That's so interesting that you
00:51:29
said that. So I so I'm a little conflicted
00:51:33
maybe with my answer, but I because so I would say I would
00:51:37
love to write Deirdre from Andor.
00:51:42
I thought I was going to say so good.
00:51:44
How would you said being a woman in the in the Empire?
00:51:47
I was like, oh, it didn't work out real well for her.
00:51:50
Or like I thought right away. Yeah, but I'm like, I like she's
00:51:56
so I mean like the kind of like weird mental like audience jiu
00:52:02
jitsu that that show did where you're like like my husband was
00:52:05
like rooting for her, you know, like he was like, dude, girl, go
00:52:10
get him, you know, like it's like hard in the empire for a
00:52:13
woman. So he's like girl boss, you
00:52:15
know, like, but then it's like, no, this is this is like awful,
00:52:19
right? Like she's just like basically
00:52:21
manufacturing a genocide. And but that's what's so crazy
00:52:28
and interesting about it. And like, so I feel conflicted
00:52:30
because I'm like, what would I ever write that?
00:52:32
Like didn't already like perfectly put a bow on that on
00:52:37
Deirdre story already. But like, I don't know, just
00:52:39
some of the stuff that you want. Like maybe you could do more
00:52:41
stuff with her at the Empire, like different cases and stuff,
00:52:44
but she's just so interesting. Like, and I think the show did
00:52:47
such a such a cool job with like that specific experience.
00:52:53
So that like you get why she's like trying so hard and like
00:52:58
getting after it. Then you see or succeed and
00:53:00
you're like, yeah, girl, get him.
00:53:02
You were right this whole time. And then it's also like, but no,
00:53:05
like you're trying to get the good guy.
00:53:07
And also like you're you're what you're doing is terrible.
00:53:11
And also like, yeah, now you're in prison.
00:53:14
It's like, it's so yeah. Anyway, so that's why I feel
00:53:17
like maybe we had similar responses, but I also feel a
00:53:21
little conflicted because it's like, this would be so cool, but
00:53:23
also like what would I even add to it, you know?
00:53:26
I don't know. Sometimes you just want to be a
00:53:28
space fascist. I don't.
00:53:30
Know maybe that that's that's that's the that's the fantasy.
00:53:36
Not really. It was like no unreal life.
00:53:38
Obviously not. But you know, that's what,
00:53:41
that's what, that's what art lets us do, you know?
00:53:48
I don't know, it would be interesting to see how she got
00:53:51
to where she was because she does have like those moments
00:53:53
where she says, oh, you know, I was raised in the Imperial
00:53:56
kinder block or whatever. So it's, it's interesting.
00:53:58
It would be interesting to see like how she became so
00:54:00
indoctrinated. So I that would be cool.
00:54:02
That would be a cool story to tell.
00:54:04
Right. That's what I'm like.
00:54:05
I think she's just, I think she's super interesting and just
00:54:08
like incredibly acted like just like an like iconic performance.
00:54:14
Oh, phenomenal. What are you doing I?
00:54:20
OK, so my my dream is actually too right for Marvel.
00:54:25
I've been trying to Hi Marvel. I've been trying to weasel my
00:54:28
way in there for a few while. I, I have like a very specific
00:54:35
idea. I'm I'm a big fan of rebels and
00:54:37
I think that a story about Hera and Kanan after they first meet
00:54:43
and when they're first on like their, their adventures together
00:54:46
before the team comes together would be such a great story.
00:54:50
And that's pretty fun. I also that's pretty fun.
00:54:52
That'll be fun. And Hera, like Hera has so many
00:54:55
adventures that you don't get to see.
00:54:57
And she's she's she's awesome. And another thing that like we
00:55:01
haven't seen, but it's been mentioned that I think would be
00:55:03
an awesome story or comic would be the the mission, the year
00:55:09
long mission on Mandalore where Obi Wan and Qui Gon were
00:55:12
protecting Satine, a young Satine, because you just kind of
00:55:16
hear about it in passing and you know, it was like so important.
00:55:18
But I would love to see like Qui Gon being such a like he's such
00:55:24
a distinct Jedi that he promotes the attachments and everything
00:55:28
and how that that all how Obi Wan and Satine kind of really
00:55:32
fell in love at that time. Like, I think that would be a
00:55:34
really fun story to tell too. Like these little things in
00:55:37
between. Totally, totally.
00:55:39
And that's like what like it's so cool about Star Wars is like
00:55:42
the afford these gaps where like you totally could at some point,
00:55:46
you know, go in and explore that, you know?
00:55:48
I think that they actually explored that in the Padawan
00:55:52
book. We haven't finished it yet, but
00:55:55
I'm pretty sure they like explored that.
00:55:58
Also, what you're talking is reminding you.
00:56:00
Look at a different story now. No, no, what you're saying also
00:56:03
reminds me of like, I mean, it's a little bit of the Obi Wan
00:56:07
show, right? But obviously that's with Obi
00:56:10
Wan and young Padme, right? Did.
00:56:15
I get that right, yeah. Young Leia, thank you.
00:56:17
Sorry, that's what I meant. Yes, thank you, Padme would not
00:56:21
make sense. I was like, hello timeline, but
00:56:26
yes, young Leia. And then it does remind me of
00:56:29
something I looked into. So maybe yeah, what what Ray is
00:56:32
saying makes sense. But yeah, that sounds, I mean,
00:56:36
the I was like, are you excited for Starfighter?
00:56:39
Yes, so excited. And so excited.
00:56:44
And then they then they went and they and they said Matt Smith is
00:56:47
going to be in it. And I was like, come on, like,
00:56:48
can you do any better? This is awesome.
00:56:52
Batman is like in every single freaking franchise at this
00:56:55
point. I mean, it's like we're running,
00:56:57
we're getting, we have a lot of actors who are in like every
00:56:59
single franchise already. But like dude.
00:57:01
Like Pedro Pascal, it's not like Pedro's and everything.
00:57:05
I feel like they're going to accidentally cast Pedro Pascal's
00:57:07
like two different characters in Star Wars.
00:57:09
You know, like at some point, who knows?
00:57:11
Like no, it's already. Like the director, Ask Natalie
00:57:15
Portman if she'd ever want to be in Star Wars.
00:57:20
Like, okay. I'm convinced.
00:57:22
I'm convinced she's gonna come back in season 2 of Asoka.
00:57:25
I know the rumors are flying. But then that she would she
00:57:29
would be either like it would either be flashbacks or she
00:57:32
would be tied to like the mortise gods.
00:57:34
But then I saw something recently that said the rumor is
00:57:38
Cate Blanchett is in talks to kind of have that character of,
00:57:42
of the mother, 'cause, you know, you have the father and the son
00:57:43
and the daughter, but she's supposed to be Satine.
00:57:47
She's she's like my Satine. In my head, she's Cate
00:57:50
Blanchett. That's your fan cast.
00:57:52
That's. My fan cast, she'd be so
00:57:55
perfect. Yeah, that's tough.
00:57:58
That's tough. That's crazy.
00:58:01
That would be pretty crazy if that was if Kate Blanchett came
00:58:04
in and like Season 2 of that, they'd have to make a big splash
00:58:07
with it. And she, she, if anyone is going
00:58:11
to be able to carry like being a God of untold powers, she's done
00:58:15
it once before with with Thor, she's going to do it again.
00:58:19
Yeah, no, totally. I was just like, yeah, convinced
00:58:22
me. Well, I but these are just like,
00:58:27
you know, rumors. I hope they're true.
00:58:30
Man, so crazy. Sorry.
00:58:32
I'm like, literally, I'm like, I'm like thinking of, well, I'm
00:58:36
trying to think of other Starfighter news.
00:58:38
Is Matt Smith the most recent thing?
00:58:42
I think so, yeah. OK, that's the last thing I've
00:58:46
heard. I think I think it would be
00:58:48
pretty cool personally, because it's, you know, Ryan Gosling is
00:58:52
apparently like Starfighter. If they wound up making Matt
00:58:55
Smith Starkiller, if they finally brought back that that
00:58:58
character from Legends and made him right, wouldn't that be
00:59:02
really cool? That'd be pretty cool.
00:59:07
I feel like, I feel like starfighters going to have legs
00:59:10
on it. Like I, I, I just want it to be
00:59:12
good, you know, like if it's good, like then then hell yeah.
00:59:17
Because I feel like, dude, that's like that's, that's a
00:59:19
good idea for like the next thing, you know what I mean?
00:59:22
Like that that's like its own slice of and it's like it's, you
00:59:25
already know what kind of movie it's going to be.
00:59:27
It's just great. Anyway, we'll see, hopefully.
00:59:29
I'm very hopeful. And Ryan Gosling is just, he's
00:59:34
just so good at everything he's in.
00:59:35
So I'm excited do. You guys have like a what's your
00:59:40
favorite of the new Star Wars stuff like the post Disney do
00:59:44
you have? I always feel like that's
00:59:46
pretty. That's always like, OK, what?
00:59:48
What flavor is the most interesting thing to?
00:59:53
You, I would say personally it's Mandalorian cuz like that was
01:00:00
kind of like my real big jump point for Star Wars cuz like I
01:00:05
latched on to Mandalorian culture so hard that I was just
01:00:08
like, I gotta go watch all Clone Wars now.
01:00:13
Oh God I freaking loved. I love so much of Mandalorian.
01:00:17
It's. Great, I am so good.
01:00:20
It's some frog lighting anyway, sorry.
01:00:24
Like dude, every time freaking Baby Yoda eating them eggs.
01:00:27
I was like, girl, I was like. Boba.
01:00:30
Yeah, I was like, it's boba. No, stop eating it.
01:00:35
It was so good. I was like, that's such a such a
01:00:37
good heat that he's just eating her, the remaining of her
01:00:40
species. Like it's so good.
01:00:42
Oh my gosh, it was. I was like, that's incredible.
01:00:50
That is pretty funny. I really love Rebels and I know
01:00:53
I've said it before and I really, really think like Rebels
01:00:57
is probably one of the most foundational things too in Star
01:01:00
Wars. And I think people overlook it
01:01:02
because they think, oh, it's an animated series, It's probably
01:01:04
for kids. But the lore established in that
01:01:07
show and the characters are I think are just I just I love it.
01:01:13
I think it's my favorite. I'll die on the hill, but it's,
01:01:15
it's my, it's the best Star Wars content.
01:01:19
But I also have recently been. Because like, oh, sorry, go
01:01:23
ahead. OK.
01:01:23
Yeah, yeah, No, I go. I was going to say because I
01:01:27
think it's real, you know, like relegated to like the kids show
01:01:30
or whatever. It's it also gets the benefit of
01:01:33
the freedom it was able to like do what it did, You know what I
01:01:37
mean? Right.
01:01:39
And I mean it goes some in some dark places.
01:01:43
And I I think that people don't realize it because it's like
01:01:46
again, they think it's an animated show.
01:01:48
It was on like Disney or whatever.
01:01:50
It goes real dark. I mean, it's pretty, I'm just
01:01:55
going to say like Canaan stuff, you know, like.
01:01:58
Oh God. But I've also been reading the
01:02:05
new The High Republic books. I just started trying to get
01:02:08
through all the High Republic books and they I've read about 3
01:02:13
or 4, like I'm going in chronological order and they're
01:02:16
so good. They're just so good.
01:02:19
I haven't read a lot of them but I am familiar with like some
01:02:22
Mark Guggenheim is writing the comics or no, he's writing Jedi
01:02:26
Knights. I'm sorry but that was what was
01:02:28
in my mind. Sorry I overlapped, but well,
01:02:31
that's. Good Jedi Knights is great.
01:02:34
Yeah, we're both kind of doing the stand alone thing, which is
01:02:37
with the kind of like a be connecting B pop.
01:02:39
But yeah, no, it's it's really fun.
01:02:41
What did you guys think of Acolyte?
01:02:46
We talked, we actually like off camera.
01:02:49
I have talked about this and we're going to get heat.
01:02:52
I know we're going to get heat right?
01:02:55
You'd prefer but or or accept. We can all accept the heat.
01:03:00
OK, I, I, I going for, I'm just going to go for the heat.
01:03:04
You're going to come have me. I mean, whatever.
01:03:06
It wasn't good. No.
01:03:09
OK, not only was it not good, but like, you go out, you went
01:03:13
ahead and you cast Carrie Anne Moss and Lee Jung Jai, and
01:03:17
that's what you did with them. So.
01:03:22
We killed our girl in the first scene.
01:03:27
So here's the thing about Accolade is that it's actually
01:03:31
maybe after Andorra, my favorite Star Wars thing to talk about
01:03:36
because it's like it's trying to get, there's so much
01:03:43
conceptually there, so much there conceptual that is really
01:03:45
interesting. There's so much there.
01:03:48
I was like, yeah, if you like read the Wikipedia summary of
01:03:51
each of the episodes, you're like, that sounds like really
01:03:53
interesting. And then you watch the episode
01:03:55
and you're like, what is happening?
01:04:00
Like these? This doesn't make any sense.
01:04:04
So I find it so weird. It's like such an interesting
01:04:07
project, you know what I mean? Like, I I, yeah, I love talking
01:04:11
about it because I'm like, there's so, so many things.
01:04:13
I feel like an execution went sideways on them.
01:04:18
But like, again, the intention is like, I, I get it.
01:04:22
There's like something there also, mainly just into his arms.
01:04:28
That one. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:04:31
Like literally I have a tab on my phone on my Internet Explorer
01:04:34
that's just like a Tumblr post of his arms.
01:04:39
She's so real for that. That's us, Yeah, you gotta send.
01:04:42
I'm gonna, I'm absolutely just gonna e-mail it to you both
01:04:46
immediately after we're done because it's like, it's just
01:04:48
like on. It's just, it's still on here.
01:04:51
It's like number tab 50 and I'm never gonna get rid of it.
01:04:56
See, we're gonna, we're gonna have to have Gabby like pop that
01:04:58
up on the screen for everyone to say the editing.
01:05:04
Done. No, and and and his character
01:05:06
like it could have been so much more like it.
01:05:11
It was super interesting to see even just like just physically,
01:05:15
just the way he thought was really unique and and the things
01:05:18
that he did. Like there was a lot of
01:05:19
potential there. But I think that they should
01:05:22
just like just do a prequel where it's just the Lee Jung Jai
01:05:28
and Carrie Ann Moss and call it a day.
01:05:32
Yeah, I mean like next level casting, like really, really
01:05:36
great. And then it's just like it's
01:05:38
like just like really weird, like logical questions.
01:05:41
Like at the end it's like why why is he letting her go?
01:05:44
Like, why is this like, huh, Like do they do we miss a
01:05:48
conversation here? Do you know what I mean?
01:05:49
Like it's just like, just like execution wise, it was just
01:05:52
like, huh. But yeah, yeah, it's weird.
01:05:55
So much, so much cool ideas. So many cool ideas.
01:06:01
And it's just strange that that for Star Wars first High
01:06:05
Republic set project like on TV, live action, whatever, that
01:06:11
that's what they chose when they have like an entire series of
01:06:14
High Republic books that they could have pulled from.
01:06:17
Like that was weird too. I mean, I, I mean, this is me
01:06:23
guessing, but again, I think it's, it's because like when
01:06:25
they talk to a creative, they're really open.
01:06:27
You know, they're like, I think this was like really shepherded
01:06:30
by Leslie Hedlund. That right.
01:06:33
That's her name, Leslie Ann Hedlund.
01:06:35
They get that right anyway. Yeah.
01:06:38
Like, I feel like she pitched it and they're like, yeah, they're
01:06:41
game for it, which is like, I think a testament to, to, to to
01:06:45
the people the, you know, the brain trust there and like
01:06:47
people who they want to do interesting things and not all
01:06:50
of it will hit all the time. But yeah, I don't know.
01:06:54
It's, it is. It is.
01:06:56
I think it's cool. They did a High Republic thing.
01:06:58
I just, you know, yeah. I wish the execution was a
01:07:00
little bit better, but I don't know.
01:07:01
Would we get heat for thinking that?
01:07:03
I don't know. I feel like a lot of people have
01:07:07
polarizing opinions about alkaline.
01:07:11
I think my biggest thing is that all of the shipping really
01:07:14
ruined any type of enjoyment that I could have for it.
01:07:18
It was Ray Low all over again. Yeah, it was.
01:07:21
It was. Please don't mention Kylo Rey on
01:07:26
my podcast. Kylo Ren.
01:07:30
Kylo Ren, Oh. My God, yeah.
01:07:34
No, we won't. We won't get into that.
01:07:36
It's OK, I'm joking. I'm joking.
01:07:37
I'm joking. No, no, no, no, no, no, it's
01:07:39
cool. No, I just have like a very just
01:07:43
mom centric thought around Kylo Brown, which is a weird thing to
01:07:47
go into, but anyway. But yeah, Anyway, yeah, I think
01:07:51
Accolade is super, super. Yeah, the shipping was weird.
01:07:55
I was like because it wasn't like based on anything.
01:07:58
It was like. Yeah.
01:07:59
Yeah, this is like again. It feels like we're missing
01:08:02
crucial scenes or some sort of explanation or missing
01:08:06
conversations to get us to why that even happened.
01:08:08
But anyway. I'll be honest I never watched
01:08:13
the last episode because I know that Lee Jong Jae dies and I
01:08:17
love master Soul and I was like I'm not I can't I can't do it
01:08:20
like I just read the Wikipedia page cuz I didn't want to see
01:08:23
him die. I.
01:08:25
Mean, it's very fair. I mean, it's absolutely fair.
01:08:29
He was so good. He was just.
01:08:32
He's such A and he's such a great actor.
01:08:35
I mean, it's just like you again, talk about what like kind
01:08:38
of the theme of like kind of ambiguously, not good, not bad,
01:08:43
right? Like he's that's the whole thing
01:08:45
they're exploring with him in that in that series.
01:08:50
He as an actor, though, you're like, you're so sympathy.
01:08:55
I don't know. You just like have a lot of
01:08:56
feelings for him as an actor. You just don't want anything bad
01:08:59
to happen to him. Right.
01:09:02
He plays the role so almost fatherly, like he's so soft and
01:09:07
so like, you know, you want, you're like, Oh, no, he can do
01:09:10
whatever he wants. Yeah, he's trying.
01:09:14
You know, he's trying so hard. Wait, I want to know your
01:09:18
motherly thoughts on Kylo Ren. Now I have to go back to that.
01:09:22
OK, sorry, this is this is I don't know Anyway, well, now I'm
01:09:29
making it a bigger thing. Basically this is this.
01:09:31
It's just a funny thought, which is that basically when I when
01:09:34
you're a mom in the first like early days, like you're just
01:09:38
like, I like combed my hair for this, right?
01:09:40
Like you're just a total like slob.
01:09:43
And literally the, the like kind of image that constantly pops
01:09:49
into my head of like what I must look like when I'm in the early
01:09:52
days of like child rearing and coming home from the hospital is
01:09:55
literally that like weird shirtless shot of Kylo Ren where
01:10:00
he's like got the world. Like it's like because it's
01:10:02
like, it's like I'm a mom. I'm not wearing a shirt or bra
01:10:05
at home because like I'm just feral.
01:10:08
And then I'm wearing like tights and he's like, that's what he's
01:10:11
wearing. He's literally shirtless and
01:10:14
wearing like Lululemon tights or something.
01:10:18
And he's like got this weird, you know?
01:10:20
Yeah, he's like that. But like, it's up to, it's like
01:10:22
right under his like, chest and it's like he looks like
01:10:25
freaking. He's got like a weird square
01:10:27
body. Like he's like old man buff.
01:10:29
It's weird. And like, I'm like, oh, that's,
01:10:33
that's how I looked for like the first three weeks of like having
01:10:37
a child. Adam Driver, can we send this to
01:10:41
his people? Because I love Adam Driver too,
01:10:45
which is makes me feel bad for being like the number one Kylo
01:10:48
Ren hater. Because I love Adam Driver.
01:10:52
That, that picture, I'm like, literally I'm going to pull it
01:10:56
up. Just I know you guys can pull it
01:10:57
up later and it'll look way better, but like, it's literally
01:11:02
what I think about like the entire time I'm like, that's my
01:11:13
thought. That's that was my, that was my
01:11:14
deep Kylo Ren. I was just like, yeah, that's
01:11:19
Kylo Ren discourse. It's like your mom, you're at
01:11:23
home constantly feeding your kid with your, you know, your boob,
01:11:26
you're breastfeeding and you're just like not wearing a shirt.
01:11:29
Yeah, I was like, I look like shit and like I feel I'm so
01:11:33
tired. I haven't slept.
01:11:35
And this is like, this is how This is why I identify as.
01:11:42
So if I don't know if you guys have kids or if you will have
01:11:45
kids, but if you do and maybe that's a thought that'll come
01:11:48
into your mind at some point, it's.
01:11:52
It's so like you said that I'm like, I get that, I think.
01:11:56
I can see it. Yeah, it's because he's wearing
01:12:00
like tights. It's like he's wearing high
01:12:03
waisted like freaking work athleisure, dude.
01:12:06
Like it's crazy. Anyway.
01:12:16
Oh my God, I hope that that's up in a in Charlie Charles Soul's
01:12:22
Legacy of Vader run. He should just like it.
01:12:24
Randomly put in a scene where he's in those tights again.
01:12:27
Just throw it in. If this is the take away of like
01:12:31
my impact on Star Wars, it's just like this one, this one
01:12:36
thought I've had, I'd be happy. I was like breastfeeding moms.
01:12:43
Breastfeeding moms fresh from home from the hospital identify
01:12:46
with the shirtless Kylo Ren. That's it, I.
01:12:52
Love that is my is. I said that my favorite favorite
01:12:55
discourse ever about Kylo Ren. I like this.
01:12:59
That's my contributing, Kylo Ren thought.
01:13:01
I don't have anything more to say.
01:13:04
I feel like that's valid. Not as much as we have.
01:13:08
Yeah, I was like, I want anything more, you know, that's
01:13:12
about it. And I do love Adam Driver as
01:13:14
well, by the way. Yeah, it's like we love, we love
01:13:18
Adam Driver, but really like. Yeah, that's what we've got.
01:13:23
This is what I have. I think that's my like that's
01:13:25
the. Legacy right there.
01:13:27
I think that's the best. Sorry, someone like drew him
01:13:33
hotter on someone. Sorry someone.
01:13:36
I'm so sorry. So I just saw someone redrew him
01:13:39
on Deviant art as like kind of like hotter.
01:13:42
And I'm like, no, no, this this is what he looks like.
01:13:48
OK. No, we don't.
01:13:53
You don't get to go back. That's no he.
01:13:55
Didn't have a natural waist, guys.
01:13:57
No, he did not have defined pecs in the original image.
01:14:03
And so that's what we're, that's what everyone is living with it.
01:14:07
It's Canon. We we have to live with it.
01:14:11
Adam Driver has to live with it. Fandom has to live with it.
01:14:15
You don't get to go back. Make him like freaking like
01:14:18
Timothy Chalamet a buff or something, I don't know.
01:14:24
It's like the SNL sketch where he's he's the radar tech and
01:14:27
he's like I heard Kylo Ren has an 8 pack Like that's like what
01:14:30
I. That's what I'm thinking of
01:14:33
because no Kylo has an 8 pack. It's like Sir, he does not, he
01:14:40
does not have an 8 bag. He's just, he's just a human
01:14:45
being like the rest of us. He's like every new mother.
01:14:51
Yeah, he's like a freaking new mom.
01:14:53
He's got a new mom bod anyway. I think I think that this has
01:15:02
been my favorite. Part.
01:15:03
That's where we're gonna end. That's where we're gonna end.
01:15:06
Yeah. We've talked like about so many
01:15:08
good things, but like this last segment is just like perfect.
01:15:16
And you should know, clip, just clip this out.
01:15:19
You can clip this part out for social media.
01:15:24
Tag Adam Driver in it. Yeah, dude, you want me to
01:15:28
repost it, I'll like just do at Adam at Adam at Adam at.
01:15:34
I mean, that's all I'll do 'cause I was like, I want him to
01:15:36
see it. I want him to know.
01:15:40
He's out here representing new moms and doesn't even know it.
01:15:44
I know. I think he's too wise to be on
01:15:46
social media though. Good for him.
01:15:49
I don't think he would handle it well.
01:15:54
He's like, very. Neat.
01:15:55
He's like an actor. He's like really sensitive about
01:15:58
his. Yeah, they're really sensitive.
01:16:00
Yeah. So I was like, dude, don't do
01:16:02
it. Don't, don't go on here.
01:16:06
Oh my goodness. Anyways.
01:16:10
We'll have you back for our We'll have you back for our Kylo
01:16:14
Ren hater episode. Yeah.
01:16:19
I've like I still Remember Me watching that last movie and I'm
01:16:22
just like dude y'all should you should kiss just to have me feel
01:16:26
something. Please kiss so that I can just
01:16:33
Anyway stuck with this later this.
01:16:40
Has been great. This has been so good.
01:16:43
I don't know if it's controversial, who knows?
01:16:45
OK, No, thank you for having me. No, it's like, I think our, our,
01:16:50
we would say like we just want to kind of just be ourselves and
01:16:53
be like chaotic as on this. Like it's not really filtered
01:16:57
right? And I I towards the end?
01:17:01
Definitely not. Oh my goodness.
01:17:08
Right. You're great.
01:17:09
You're great interviewers by the way.
01:17:10
You're great. I know you're saying you're
01:17:12
typically interview people, but like this is so the questions
01:17:16
are great and you know, we're still getting into it, so it's
01:17:18
helpful. Oh, thank you.
01:17:22
I'm glad that you had fun. Thank you so much Cherish for
01:17:26
making time for us and your new mom life.
01:17:31
It really does mean a lot. This was really great.
01:17:34
I'm so excited to read about AFRA now.
01:17:39
I I hope that this isn't the only time that you get to write
01:17:42
in Star Wars. I hope that there's more from
01:17:45
you and that you actually get to explore all of those things that
01:17:49
you wanna explore in our expansive Galaxy.
01:17:54
Yeah, thank you. Right.
01:17:55
Thank you both for having me. The last I hope it's not the
01:17:58
last time you come talk to us 'cause this has been a lot of
01:18:01
fun. The vibes were Immaculate.
01:18:05
Give me a shout whenever and we'll jump on.
01:18:08
Absolutely. Well, so just when is the next
01:18:12
issue of AFRA coming out? The next issue is kind of what's
01:18:18
new mom brain hold on, what's the Denita calendar?
01:18:21
It is coming out next Wednesday the 27th issue 3.
01:18:26
And it is the one with with our good old buddy Han.
01:18:31
And yeah, I'd love to hear what people think if this.
01:18:34
I don't know when when you guys are posting this, but yeah, I,
01:18:38
I'm excited to see what people think and I hope it hope people
01:18:43
enjoy reading it.